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From: baby_ifritah@optusnet.c0m.au
"brique" wrote in message
news:1174768520.36395.0@despina.uk.clara.net...
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> James A. Donald wrote in message
> news:s4ja03dokafo8skmidc7436g549l9ipktp@4ax.com...
>> Paul Bramscher
>> > > > Not mine. I think we need to toss off those who
>> > > > claim monopolies of real estate and natural
>> > > > resources, to restore an open space such that
>> > > > anyone may sustainably collect resources (berries,
>> > > > mushrooms, seed, firewood, meat, fish, etc.),
>> > > > erect a home, squat in a tent, etc.
>>
>> James A. Donald:
>> > > Plenty of room to do that now. No one wants to do
>> > > it. They prefer to live in cities. Modern hunter
>> > > gatherers are not only vanishing because farmers
>> > > stole most of their land. Quite a bit of land
>> > > remains. They are also vanishing because they
>> > > prefer to hunt and gather from rubbish heaps and
>> > > dumpsters.
>>
>> Haines Brown
>> > Could you survive on your own in the wilderness? I may
>> > be a city animal, but I've read enough to know that it
>> > is almost impossible except in the short term, in
>> > reasonably favorable circumstances, and using some
>> > modern equipment.
>>
>> The proposal was to restore the primitive commons. You
>> are just telling me that the primitive commons is no
>> good. Quite so. Just what I said.
>>
>> In order to have all the nice stuff of modernity, the
>> primitive commons is no good. Stuff has to be
>> elaborately transformed. This requires private property
>> and markets - or else the central planning committee,
>> gulags and mass murder.
>
> or neither....
oh, don't confuse him. you know his mind can only cope with either...or.
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