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|    Erik D. Freeman to All    |
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|    30 Mar 07 07:36:14    |
      XPost: alt.politics.socialism, alt.politics.economics, alt.politics.media       From: efreem2@alumni.umbc.edu              Neurotic: A person who worries about things that       didn't happen in the past . . .       instead of worrying about something       that won't happen in the future . . .       like normal people.              *.*              Oneliners:              If something goes without saying, let it!              Regular naps prevent old age, especially if you take them while       driving.              If you want a new idea, read an old book.              Quick!! Act as if nothing has happened!              If your plan is having no plan, do you have a plan?              I have not yet begun to procrastinate              You can't make your candle burn brighter by blowing out the other       fellow's.              *.*              Sing for Beer              DOH - The stuff that buys me beer.       RAY - The guy who sells me beer.       ME - The guys who drinks the beer.       FAR - A long way to get beer.       SO - I'll have another beer.       LA - I'll have another beer.       TEA - No thanks I'm drinking beer.              and that brings me back to DOH!                     My boyfriend is not too bright but I love the guy.       We go into this trophy shop       because my basketball team won second place.              We were in this shop and there are trophies everywhere.              My boyfriend looks around and says,       "This guy is really good.              *.*              You come into this world with nothing,       and you leave with nothing.       Except, when you leave . . . you have to pay taxes on it.                     I have learned a great deal about myself from my Inbox.       According to my junk e-mail,       I'm bald, impotent and in need of constant refinancing                     Starbucks says they are going to start putting       religious quotes on cups. The very first one will say,       "Jesus this stuff is expensive!"              *.*              The Pasta Diet              1) You walka pasta the bakery.       2) You walka pasta the candy store.       3) You walka pasta the Ice Cream shop.       4) You walka pasta the table and fridge.              Issue of the Times;       The US of Tyranny by Christopher Manion              I never thought that I'd have to write this about that land that I love.              But now there's no escaping the fact that our government possesses       tyrannical powers that are unchecked by appeal to the "independent"       courts.              How this president, and future ones, will use that power is unknown. As       the       historian Charles Burton Marshall once famously said, "there's no such       thing       as the foreseeable future."              But what I have learned from people I trust tells me that the future of       our       liberties is in grave peril.              For instance, consider the Founding Fathers. They made it clear that the       greatest danger to liberty was not England, or Islam, or Indians, or any       foreign foe. The greatest enemy was government - our government, driven by       lust for lucre and power, breaking through the firm constitutional fences       that the Founders placed around it.              Our Founders' biggest nightmare was the prospect of an executive with       totally unlimited power. They relied on the dominant powers of the       legislature, facing frequent election by the "virtuous people" of       Federalist       57, who would also keep their representatives in line.              And consider the trustworthy conservative stalwart, Paul Weyrich. He often       admonishes well-meaning but ungrounded conservatives: "do not give to your       friend any power that may someday fall into the hands of your enemy."              Against the grain of those dire warnings, past and present, the Bush       Administration has claimed, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th       Circuit has just confirmed, the unlimited power of the executive to do       anything it wants to in the name of "national security."              Anyone - whether a foreigner or an American citizen - can be kidnapped, at       home or abroad, either by a foreign government at the request of the U.S.       government, by an agent or employee(s) of the U.S. government or by of the       U.S. government itself. That person can then be transported anywhere in       the       world, imprisoned indefinitely, kept from any outside contact, tortured,       even killed.              All in the name of "national security."              And there is nothing you can do about it.              The case in question was filed by one Khaled El-Masri - but it could have       happened to anybody. El-Masri is a German citizen who says he was       kidnapped,       jailed, and tortured by the CIA in Europe. The Court's opinion, which is       well worth reading in full, narrates El Masri's claims:              [O]n December 31, 2003, while travelling in Macedonia, he was detained by       Macedonian law enforcement officials; after twenty-three days in       Macedonian       custody, he was handed over to CIA operatives, who flew him to a       CIA-operated detention facility near Kabul, Afghanistan; he was held in       this       CIA facility until May 28, 2004, when he was transported to Albania and       released in a remote area; and Albanian officials then picked him up and       took him to an airport in Tirana, Albania, from which he travelled to his       home in Germany.              El-Masri was released because the CIA finally realized they thought he was       somebody else. "Oops! We tortured the wrong man. Sorry."              According the New York Times, "in June 2006, a report issued by the       Council       of Europe concluded that Mr. Masri's account of having been abducted and       mistreated was substantially accurate. In January, a German court issued       arrest warrants for 13 people it said were involved in the matter.       Prosecutors would not identify the suspects."              According to German news reports, "Senior US diplomats" tried to reverse       the       German government's decision to prosecute those involved. The German       government refused, as the Italian government did in a similar recent       case.              The CIA has had more success in the United States courts than it did in       Germany and Italy. Even though it refuses to confirm or deny any part of       Mr.       El-Masri's story, it has nonetheless demanded that the U.S. Federal Courts       throw the case down the Memory Hole. In particular, it opposed El Masri's       appeal.              The unanimous decision of the Court of Appeals granting the CIA request is       very readable - at least for Kafka fans. In 24 calm and careful pages, the       court methodically closes off every avenue that any victim of kidnapping,       imprisonment, torture, or even murder might use to seek justice under       American law. The rule is ironclad: if the government asserts that such an       effort will reveal "state secrets," the revelation of which would violate       the "national interest," or be harmful to "national security," the Court       is       required to vacate the case, and let the Government off scot-free.              Which is exactly what the unanimous appeals court did last Friday.              Like all ideological arguments, the Court's opinion is very logical, once       one accepts the axiomatic preambles. In this case, the Court clearly       identifies the axiom: the Court is bound to trust the Executive Branch,       when       the chips are down, without question. It cannot use its own independent       judgment regarding the evidence, or lack thereof, regarding the       government's       assertion of "state secrets" that might be divulged at trial. In fact, it       cannot even see the evidence, much less question it.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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