XPost: alt.anarchism, alt.politics, alt.politics.socialism   
   XPost: alt.politics.liberalism   
   From: jamesd@echeque.com   
      
   James A. Donald:   
   > > > > Close, but not quite.  Obviously others can coerce   
   > > > > illegally.  Further, governments in advanced   
   > > > > countries generally permit one to forcefully eject   
   > > > > trespassers, and guests that refuse to leave, though   
   > > > > in third world countries this is frequently illegal.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > So the most accurate definition is that a government   
   > > > > is overwhelmingly victorious against its subjects,   
   > > > > so much so that its subjects come to accept that it   
   > > > > may use force in ways that they may not.   
      
    "*Anarcissie*"   
   > > > That's not a definition, though.   
      
   James A. Donald:   
   > > Yes it is:  Whosoever so thoroughly defeats people in   
   > > some area, is a government.   
      
   "brique"   
   > A group of armed men can ride through an area, lay waste to the townships,   
   > slaughter the populace, steal all the valuables and carry on riding until   
   > they leave the area.   
      
   If they stick around, they are the government.   
      
      
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   We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because   
   of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this   
   right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.   
      
   http://www.jim.com/      James A. Donald   
      
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