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   From: briquenoir@freeuk.c0m   
      
   James A. Donald  wrote in message   
   news:4sija3lamon1tdcbblfmus9rm15hluhu0b@4ax.com...   
   > uri   
   > > > > Poverty is caused by the payment system which compels   
   > > > > people to pay money in exchange for their needs. But   
   > > > > poor people don't have money to pay them.   
   >   
   > James A. Donald:   
   > > > If poverty is caused by property rights and capitalism,   
   > > > why is that we see poverty were property rights are   
   > > > least secure, and most communist countries had episodes   
   > > > of famine.   
   > > >   
   > > > All recent famines resulting in widespread deaths by   
   > > > starvation were caused by war or socialism, and the   
   > > > worst famines - North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cambodia,   
   > > > were caused by socialism.  Where are the capitalist   
   > > > famines?   
   >   
   > "brique"   
   > > Where is there capitalism? After all, when examples are produced you   
   weasel   
   > > out of the debate by claiming those places were not 'capitalist'.   
   >   
   > Give me your examples.   
   >   
   > > Another side of this argument is what do you mean by 'property rights'   
   and   
   > > rights for who?   
   > > Massive famines occurred in India under British rule,   
   >   
   > The only massive famine in India during the twentieth century was   
   > produced by war - the Japanese cut off food supplies to parts of India   
   > during World War II and disrupted food production.   
   >   
   > As I said.  Modern famines are produced by war and socialism, usually   
   > socialism   
   >   
   > > An equally disastrous famine occurred in Ireland   
   >   
   > You have to go back a hundred and sixty years to find a famine caused   
   > by a natural disaster, rather than by war or socialism.   
   >   
   > Pretty much proves my point.   
   >   
   > A hundred and sixty years ago, natural disasters were more potent,   
   > because lack of technology made capitalism less potent.   
      
   And there you go..... now, according to you, capitalism wasn't proper   
   capitalism prior to the 20C.... it seems that your 'capitalism' required   
   vast technological means to work.... now, just how did the one vaunted   
   example of your 'capitalism' ever manage in medieval Iceland?....weasel   
   weasel weasel......   
      
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