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   From: briquenoir@freeuk.c0m   
      
   James A. Donald  wrote in message   
   news:51spa35ncqkcklav1vvv47gc0n5165md9k@4ax.com...   
   > James A. Donald:   
   > > > The market place is simply people doing what they   
   > > > choose, so is not blind or indifferent - as the   
   > > > record of hunger and famine wherever you lot get to   
   > > > interfere with the marketplace shows.   
   >   
   >  "brique"   
   > >  The market _must_ be blind and indifferent to work,   
   > >  you twat. It can not   
   > > care for daft notions such as feeding those who can   
   > > not pay the market price for goods. It cannot care if   
   > > a political decision to export food to gain foreign   
   > > currency to purchase goods in foreign markets drives   
   > > the famine.   
   >   
   > But, absent socialism, a political decision cannot drive   
   > the famine - for to *make* a political decision to   
   > export food, requires some degree of socialism, requires   
   > massive state violence against the marketplace, just as   
   > much as a political decision to feed the poor.  The   
   > classic and extreme example of a famine driven by such a   
   > political decision to export food was the Khmer Rouge   
   > famine.   
      
   So, the British Empire was 'socialist'.... now you really are clutching at   
   straws.....   
      
   >   
   > Equally, the classic and extreme example of a famine   
   > driven by a political decision to feed the poor was the   
   > Ukraine famine.  (The kulaks being defined as non poor,   
   > with the result that most of the western radical left of   
   > at that time had orgasms over the wonderful social   
   > justice taking place in Russia)   
      
   Come on, you were a worshipper at the commisar's ass, James. You know full   
   well the background to the Ukranian famine was the teaching of a stern   
   lesson to those who failed to welcome the Red Army with sufficent adulation   
   when, under Comrade Trotsky, they came to 'liberate' them from their folly   
   in kicking out the White Russian Army themselves and foolishly thinking that   
   gave them some strange right to organise their own affairs.   
      
    Of course, we must take your word for it that you had orgasms over the   
   political policies you supported back then, you naughty Trot you. Can't say   
   it would surprise many here.   
      
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