XPost: alt.politics.libertarian, alt.politics, alt.politics.socialism
From: roger4911@yahoo.com
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:35:39 -0700, wsthomas@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On Aug 1, 10:46 am, Roger Johansson wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 06:31:15 -0700, wstho...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>> Correct, if you abolish the payment system, the majority of people
>>> will not want to work. And why should they? If you get everything
>>> for free, why bother?
>> People have many reasons to work even if they do not have to.
> Well in excess of 90% of the people work for the paycheck.
Under the current system, capitalism, that is nearly true, but the
percentage is probably closer to 60%. A lot of people like their work, and
some workers invest so much time and effort in their work, like doctors who
basically have to study all their lives that you must realize that they
have other reasons for working than just making money.
If you want to become rich you need only a few years of basic schooling and
then you can start selling hot dogs, advance to having a pizzeria, and so
on, making more and more money. For that you only need to learn addition
and multiplication.
To become a doctor you need 12 years of basic schooling, 5 years of
university studies, years of practice vunder supervision and even more
studies. And then you need to continue to study hard and work many hours
every week for the next 50 years. And you get a wage a lot lower than any
bar owner who has no education at all.
On the other hand, if we consider my system, where half of the workforce,
those who handled money and value papers, bank workers, makers of cashier's
machines and ATM machines, bookmakers, are now jobless.
Where everybody are free to continue doing what they did before, or get a
totally different job, or sleep and watch tv all the time, or party and get
drunk etc..
For how long does it feel meaningful to sleep and watch tv?
In such a system people will not feel repressed, they have nothing to worry
about, because they will all have a fair (equal) share of the private
property, they get all consumption goods like food and clothes for free at
the supermarket. When people are satisfied and free they become positive
and creative. Some of them will play instruments, others will build roads
and bridges, etc..
>> Some because of the pride of doing a good work, some would work
>> because they are interested in a certain subject, some because they
>> think a certain task need to be done, some will work to meet people in
>> a workplace, some will work simply because they are restless.
>>
>> Some people will work because they understand that a modern and free
>> society is based on that at least some people keep the society
>> running, keep the hospitals open, keep the fresh water running, get
>> rid of the garbage, transport goods to supermarkets, mine copper ore
>> from a mountain, teach the kids in school, etc..
> Okay, 'Some' will work...what will you do to fill the other 99% of
> jobs? Conscript?
We only need a small part of the possible workforce to produce useful
stuff. It will still be more effective than the capitalist system where
enormous resources are wasted in the administration, the money system, and
things are produced only for profit, and the media channels are full of
irritating commercials, etc..
We have produced too much food for generations, and we are still
desperately trying to reduce the production of food.
We burn grains like wheat and barley in electricity power plants and to
heat up houses, because grain is cheaper than wood pellets, which is a lot
cheaper than diesel oil or electricity for heating houses.
This means that we surely will not risk starving, and the rest is up to the
people, we will produce only what the people want to produce.
And think about all violence because of money we would get rid of.
--
Roger J.
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