XPost: alt.politics.libertarian, alt.politics, alt.politics.socialism   
   From: roger4911@yahoo.com   
      
   On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:04:17 -0700, wsthomas@bellsouth.net wrote:   
      
      
   > I realized that you were posting from outside the US early on.  You   
   > live in a crappy little country and want to use your Utopia to steal   
   > other's wealth.   
      
   I live in the European Union, a union which is 3-4 times bigger than USA,   
   and a lot more peaceful, healthier and happier.   
   We also have very good relations with the other big countries on our   
   continent, the Russian Federation, China and India, and north Africa where   
   several countries are associated members of EU.   
      
   Look up the picture earthlights from NASA and study it carefully, it shows   
   where the people are living, which other maps does not show.   
   When you see the night lights on earth from space you realize that the   
   border between Europe and Africa is not the mediterranian sea, but the   
   Sahara desert.   
      
   You can also see how Europe and Russia stretches out through Siberia all   
   the way to the pacific ocean. India and China are the two other big   
   population centers, and they are slowly growing together, in the center of   
   the eurasian continent, in Central Asia.   
      
   USA is today consuming 40% of the world's resources, although it has only   
   6% of the earth's population. This will, of course be changed now when the   
   rest of the world gets more political and economical power.   
      
      
   >> If they can get rid of all their economical worries, become free   
   >> individuals and make their own decisions, and live in a peaceful world   
   >> where you don't have to worry about being robbed or killed for money, then   
   >> i think a lot of people will vote for that solution.   
      
   > You forget, people's ideas of 'freedom' differ.  You are in a small   
   > minority, and a delusional one at that.   
      
   A lot of people in USA are delusional, and they are a small minority in the   
   world.   
      
   When a country, like Germany 70 years ago, has the intent of ruling the   
   whole world they first must fuck up the minds of their own population   
   completely, so they do not understand what is going on.   
   The same has happened in USA during the latter part of the 20th century.   
      
   >> Totally wrong, he landed exactly where he was expected to land.   
      
   > I stand corrected.  I was relying on memory.   
      
   Your memory isn't the only part of your mind which is out of order.   
      
      
   >>> People will not want to steal others registered property to use   
   >>> for themselves?  You have not proven this.   
   >>   
   >> Theft will not be allowed in the new society,   
   >   
   > Theft is not allowed in our society now.  But it happens anyway.  You   
   > lose.   
      
   It will be different in a society where everybody already have all they   
   need, and you cannot register more property than everybody else.   
   There will be very little reason to steal anything.   
      
   >> just tell the police that   
   >> your car has been stolen and they will soon find it.   
      
   > Yeah, like you tell the police that your car is stolen now..and they   
   > find right away....right?   
      
   In a modern society it will be very complicated to drive around in a stolen   
   car. More electronic equipment will help people know where they are,   
   through gps systems, and tell the driver how to get to where he wants to   
   go, and an extra feature in this system will also tell the police where   
   your car is if it gets stolen.   
      
   Traffic control systems are also being used more and more and this will   
   also make it impossible to drive around in a stolen car.   
      
      
   > Again, your ideas are bullshit.   
      
   Who has programmed your brain, full of anger, foul language and strong   
   convictions?   
      
      
   --   
   Roger J.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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