XPost: alt.politics.libertarian, alt.politics, alt.politics.socialism   
   From: jim@reallykillersystems.com   
      
   In article , roger4911   
   @yahoo.com says...   
   > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:11:22 -0400, James Beck wrote:   
   >   
   > > In article <1sm9s88k66yml.1eceaf5ym0w4v$.dlg@40tude.net>, roger4911   
   > > @yahoo.com says...   
   > >>   
   > >> I live in the European Union, a union which is 3-4 times bigger than USA,   
   > >> and a lot more peaceful, healthier and happier.   
   > >> We also have very good relations with the other big countries on our   
   > >> continent, the Russian Federation, China and India, and north Africa where   
   > >> several countries are associated members of EU.   
   >   
   >   
   > > I guess they don't teach world history in the EU.   
   >   
   > The average european speaks two or more languages, and knows a thousand   
   > times more about world history than the average american who cannot even   
   > point out his own country on a world map.   
   Standard snotty response.   
   I see you claim to be so enlightened, but you buy into the ugly American   
   stereotype.  Shows how jealous and ignorant you are.   
      
   >   
   > > Europe has a nice rich history of war, disease, slavery, tyranny, and   
   > > religious extremism.   
   >   
   > Just like the rest of the world.   
   > But it got a little better when the worst religious extremists emigrated to   
   > USA.   
   Really?   
   I haven't seen Muslims burning cars in Detroit.   
   I wonder how the French would respond to your statement.   
      
   >   
   > > Just because YOU feel all warm and fuzzy now,   
   > > doesn't mean that will be the case 50 years from now or even 50 days   
   > > from now.  Let's see how you handle Putin's sabre rattling.   
   >   
   > Putin is our best friend. He and his coworkers found a way to reunite   
   > Europe and end the cold war in a peaceful way.   
   So, Putin knocked down the Berlin wall?   
   What about his less than humanitarian ways?   
      
   > Orders went out from Moscow to all the communist countries to forget about   
   > the communist label and open up their borders for foreign investment   
   > capital.   
   And Putin did that???   
   > When the people in east and west Berlin started tearing the Berlin wall   
   > down the east German soldiers were ordered to stay in their quarters and do   
   > nothing about it.   
   By Putin?   
      
   >   
   > All the communist countries followed the orders and dismounted the   
   > communist symbols. Except Yugoslavia, which didn't take orders from Moscow,   
   > so another solution had to be found to slice up and incorporate Yugoslavia   
   > into the new Euro-Soviet EU system.   
   Yep, and the EU did it all.......   
   >   
   > Putin is not so popular in USA, of course, so your media portray him   
   > differently than media in the rest of the world.   
   I don't care about Putin one way or another.   
   Most of America feels the same way.   
      
   >   
   > USA came to Europe in 1944 to stop communism from liberating the whole of   
   > Europe from fascism. USA divided Europe into western Europe and eastern   
   > Europe, and europeans have since then tried to find a way to reunite Europe   
   > again.   
   So, you would have welcomed communist occupiers?   
   Dumb question, naturally YOU would.   
   You are a communist.   
      
   > Garbatjov and Putin found the way to do it, by abolishing the communist   
   > label and adopting the social democrat system instead of traditional   
   > communism.   
   Thanks to economic pressures, brought to bear by whom?????   
   >   
   > If we go a little further back in the history of Europe we remember how   
   > fascism was inspired by the pope in 1891, (look up Fascism in wikipedia).   
   > Mussolini changed the name from corporatism into the name fascism.   
   > The rich bankers in Europe and USA, Wall street bankers and Henry Ford   
   > supported Hitler and Mussolini to eradicate socialism, workers unions and   
   > Soviet Union in Europe.   
   >   
   > The first people who were rounded up and transported to concentration camps   
   > were socialists, social democrats, labor union leaders and communists.   
   >   
   > The Soviet people saved us from a fascist future, the german armies were   
   > pressed backwards, and USA had to invade Europe in 1944 to save at least a   
   > part of Europe for capitalism, and to grab as much as possible of the   
   > advanced german technology.   
   Yeah, we did the stupid thing of liberating Europe and then rebuilding   
   it.  We didn't steal the land we freed.  We helped Europe recover   
   (again) and went home.  What did the communist do?   
   >   
   > The worker's movement and labor unions never succeded really well in USA,   
   > because they were heavily attacked by the capitalists and their henchmen,   
   > the police and the mafia. Therefor there is no tradition of worker's   
   > movement and real democracy in USA, which is a plutocracy and not a real   
   > democracy.   
   Sorry, a Representative Republic, with democratically elected   
   representatives.  So much for your history lessons.   
   >   
   > Do you want more history lessons?   
   Got any accurate ones?   
   I see you tow the communist line well.   
   Too bad it failed miserably.   
      
                                    Jim   
      
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