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XPost: alt.politics.immigration, alt.anarchism, soc.rights.human
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:38:48 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
wrote:
>> > So what? How does saying "We have a nation" grant you the right to
>> > initiate force on those who enter it?
>
>On Sep 17, 5:00 am, jimj122...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Because we're a nation. A nation is defined by physical borders & the
>> U.S. has every right to initiate force against those who try to enter
>> it unlawfully (as with any nation).
>
>I imagine Michael would like you to ground those rights
>assertions somewhere, unless you're saying the nation-
>state is axiomatic.
It has to do with the concept of sovereignty, but then you already
knew that.
>
>> > Actually no, typically illegal immigrants are a net positive to the
>> > tax base. In any case if that's the problem then simply stop being
>> > a welfare state.
>>
>> A net positive? In your dreams. The U.S. Dept of labor estimates
>> that about 40% of illegals work for cash meaning they pay NO income
>> tax or SS tax. The other 60% are engaged in identity theft by
>> stealing some American's SS# in order to work "on the books". Most
>> illegals earn too little to pay any income tax (refer to a tax
>> table). Many declare numerous exemptions on their W-4 which causes
>> little if any tax to be withdrawn from their paychecks. The little SS
>> tax they pay is a pittance compared to the health care and education
>> costs for their endless anchor babies. Don't forget about
>> incarceration costs for those who are arrested and convicted.
>
>I would like to see some facts, not politically colored
>estimates. Overall, I think immigrants almost certainly
>add to the wealth of the area they move into.
Legal IMMIGRANTS yes, by and large. CRIMINAL PARASITES, absolutely
not.
.
You either don't know the difference or are deliberately trying to
blur the issue.
>
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