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|    How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist    |
|    28 Oct 08 14:30:34    |
      XPost: alt.anarchism, alt.politics.socialism, alt.philosophy.objectivism       From: pub?@?li.us              In the recent Biden interview, anti-social Faux News anchor Barbara West       quoted Karl Marx       and asked, "You may recognize this famous quote. From each according to his       abilities, to       each according to his needs. That's from Karl Marx. How is Sen. Obama not       being a Marxist       if he intends to spread the wealth around?"              This continuous drone in an effort to vilify natural social tendencies of       humans betrays       the selfish, greedy worldview of a few twisted minds.              What they don't want you to know is that this concept of community       responsibility wasn't       born with Marx. Greater men then him articulated the principle, including the       most       intellectual of the USA 'founding fathers', Benjamin Franklin.              No rugged individualist such as Bill Gates could earn $54 Billion in a few       years, no       matter how genius, absent the rules made and enforced by government as agents       of the land       lords. The obscene wealth being transferred to a handful of the 'opulent       minority'       doesn't speak to the wonderful 'American Dream' but rather it exposes how       ill-founded and       anti-social the rules are that enabled this aberration.              Franklin noted that all wealth is the creation of society, community. And as       such, those       holding immense wealth are indebted to society - 'From each according to his       abilities, to       each according to his needs.'..."down to the last farthing"! - Not as charity,       but as       repayment of a debt to society.              "Superfluous Property is the Creature of Society. Simple and mild Laws were       sufficient to       guard the Property that was merely necessary. The Savage’s Bow, his Hatchet,       and his Coat       of Skins, were sufficiently secured without Law by the Fear of personal       Resentment and       Retaliation. When by virtue of the first Laws Part of the Society accumulated       Wealth and       grew Powerful, they enacted others more severe, and would protect their       Property at the       Expence of Humanity. This was abusing their Powers, and commencing a Tyranny."        - - Benjamin Franklin              "...the Accumulation therefore of Property in such a Society, and its Security       to       Individuals in every Society must be an Effect of the Protection afforded to       it by the       joint Strength of the Society, in the Execution of its Laws; private Property       therefore is       a Creature of Society and is subject to the Calls of that Society whenever its       Necessities       shall require it, even to its last Farthing; its Contributions therefore to       the public       Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Public,       entitling the       Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power; but as the Return of an       Obligation       previously received or the Payment of a just Debt."        - - Benjamin Franklin              As great a mind Franklin was, the concepts imbedded in his words were not       novel. They are       ancient. In fact it should be clear that what he wrote and Marx's famous       mantra 'From       each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.' were merely       restatements       of the principles espoused by others such as Gerrard Winstanley and the       Diggers of the       1600's.              "Seeing the common people of England by joynt consent of person and purse have       caste out       Charles our Norman oppressour, wee have by this victory recovered ourselves       from under his       Norman yoake." "..."in the beginning of time God made the earth. Not one word       was spoken       at the beginning that one branch of mankind should rule over another, but       selfish       imaginations did set up one man to teach and rule over another."        - - Gerrard Winstanley              "The power of enclosing land and owning property was brought into the creation       by your       ancestors by the sword; which first did murder their fellow creatures, men,       and after       plunder or steal away their land, and left this land successively to you,       their children.       And therefore, though you did not kill or thieve, yet you hold that cursed       thing in your       hand by the power of the sword; and so you justify the wicked deeds of your       fathers, and       that sin of your fathers shall be visited upon the head of you and your       children to the       third and fourth generation, and longer too, till your bloody and thieving       power be rooted       out of the land."        - - Gerrard Winstanley              And just where did Winstanley get this 'brainstorm'? From the actual       'compassionate       conservatives', the true evangelical Christians, the disciples of Jesus       himself:              One origin of such fundamental Christian Communism can be traced to the Book       of Acts,       chapter 2:               32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any       of his       possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great       power the       apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much       grace was       upon them all. 34 There were no needy persons among them. For from time to       time those who       owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put       it at the       apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need. 36 Joseph, a       Levite from       Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement),       37 sold a       field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet.       ***        44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45       And sold       their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.              So one might ask, when Marx penned his famous line, 'From each according to       his abilities,       to each according to his needs.' - did he give credit to the Christian source?              --       Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to       the invader de Soto's demand for submission to       the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits       of 'civilization' and service:              "I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are,       through others of you who came years ago to my land;       and I already know very well what your customs and       behavior are like. To me you are professional       vagabonds who wander from place to place,       gaining your livelihood by robbing, sacking and       murdering people who have given you no offense.        ... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed       to die a hundred deaths to maintain the freedom       of our land. This is our answer, both       for the present and forevermore."        -- "Florida of the Inca" (1591)        by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]        - First American Author to be published.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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