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   Message 8,084 of 8,857   
   publius2k to Mike   
   Re: 'Foreclosure crisis' and predatory l   
   02 Nov 08 22:53:29   
   
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   XPost: alt.anarchism, alt.politics.socialism, alt.philosophy.objectivism   
   From: pub?@?li.us   
      
   On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:20:55 -0700 (PDT), Mike  wrote:   
      
   >On Oct 27, 10:54 am, publius2k  wrote:   
   >> The enabling legislation for the 'foreclosure crisis' was The Bankruptcy   
   Abuse Prevention   
   >> and Consumer Protection Act of 2005   
   >>   
   >> This ill-guided law guaranteed that the government would be the strongarm   
   enforcers for   
   >> the loansharks, the predatory lenders.  Without the government guarantees   
   provided by   
   >> BAPCPA, no bank would have lent 125% on appraised value.   
   >>   
   >   
   >I'm sure that contributed but I don't think it was the sole culprit. I   
   >was wondering about your   
   >take on Greenspan's confession of a flaw in his economic reality; he   
   >had expected finacial   
   >institutions to do what is best for their shareholders.   
      
   I totally agree, it was not the sole factor but did contribute to the   
   atmosphere that it   
   was safe to lend at any rate since they could squeeze the people to pay   
   regardless of the   
   value of the collateral with the new restrictions on bankruptcy relief.   
      
   Greenspan didn't face the reality that greed fosters theft.  those in   
   positions of   
   exploitation, since their underlying worldview is one based on selfishness and   
   greed were   
   likely to descend to dog eat dog, me first and screw the clients and the   
   stockholders.   
   dogs biting their masters, the hand that feeds them.  There should be a   
   national registry   
   of such greedy bastards and a prohibition of them being employed in positions   
   related to   
   investments, loans etc.   
      
   When it started to break, my dream was to let it fall, let the damn   
   bloodsucking empire   
   collapse.  And from the ashes perhaps an egalitarian world would arise.  all   
   we need is a   
   few memes.   
      
      
      
   "After his visit to the 'Five Tribes', Dawes noted of the Cherokee "The head   
   chief told us   
   that there was not a family in that whole Nation that had not a home of its   
   own. There is   
   not a pauper in that Nation, and the Nation does not owe a dollar. It built   
   its own   
   capitol, in which we had this examination, and built its schools and   
   hospitals. Yet the   
   defect of the system was apparent. They have got as far as they can go,   
   because they hold   
   their land in common. It is Henry George's system, and under that there is no   
   enterprise   
   to make your home any better than that of your neighbors. There is no   
   selfishness, which   
   is at the bottom of civilization. Till these people will consent to give up   
   their lands,   
   and divide them among their citizens so that each can own the land he   
   cultivates, they   
   will not make much progress." - Redbird Smith and the Nighthawk Keetoowahs   
   [1983 - p. 31]   
   by Janey B. Hendrix   
      
      
   "There is no selfishness, which is [the foundation] of [what Euro-Americans   
   call]   
   civilization."  "because they hold their land in common." - Dawes   
      
   'That, on the principle of a communion of property, small societies may exist   
   in habits of   
   virtue, order, industry, and peace, and consequently in a state of as much   
   happiness as   
   Heaven has been pleased to deal out to imperfect humanity, I can readily   
   conceive, and   
   indeed, have seen its proofs in various small societies which have been   
   constituted on   
   that principle.'-Thomas Jefferson [1822]   
      
      
      
      
      
   --   
   Said American [Indian] Chieftain Acuera in reply to   
   the invader de Soto's demand for submission to   
   the king and the church so as to 'enjoy the benefits   
   of 'civilization' and service:   
      
   "I have long since learned who you [European Christians] are,   
   through others of you who came years ago to my land;   
   and I already know very well what your customs and   
   behavior are like.  To me you are professional   
   vagabonds who wander from place to place,   
   gaining your livelihood by robbing, sacking and   
   murdering people who have given you no offense.   
    ... Accordingly, I and all of my people have vowed   
   to die a hundred deaths to maintain the freedom   
   of our land.  This is our answer, both   
   for the present and forevermore."   
    -- "Florida of the Inca" (1591)   
       by El Inca [aka Garcilaso de la Vega]   
     - First American Author to be published.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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