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   From: herpem@bigpond.com   
      
   "Kate "  wrote in message   
   news:49cea36c.1338579328@news-west.newscene.com...   
   > On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:43:07 GMT, "HD"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"Kate "  wrote in message   
   >>news:49ccf6c7.1294382062@news-west.newscene.com...   
   >>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:33:34 GMT, "HD"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"Kate "  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:49c8b164.1276619859@news-west.newscene.com...   
   >>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:22:16 GMT, "HD"  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>"Peter Webb"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>news:4983e8a8$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>> Atheists have done lots of bad things, but not because they are   
   >>>>>>> atheists,   
   >>>>>>> but because they are bad people.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Whereas Muslim terrorists do bad things because they are Muslims.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Atheism is not comparable to having religious beliefs; religious   
   >>>>>>> nutters   
   >>>>>>> quite often kill people for religious reasons; atheists do not.   
   >>>>>>> Atheism   
   >>>>>>> is   
   >>>>>>> not a religion, and it does not dictate how people should live and   
   >>>>>>> who   
   >>>>>>> they should hate.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Let me see if I got that right.   
   >>>>>>Atheists do bad thinngs because they are bad people.   
   >>>>>>Christians do bad things, not because they are bad people, but because   
   >>>>>>they   
   >>>>>>are religious.   
   >>>>>>Is that an Irish joke?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The point is, atheism doesn't justify doing bad things, religion does.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Good people do bad things, like not let gay people marry, because of   
   >>>>> religion.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"At that time many will call evil good and they will call good evil."   
   >>>   
   >>> Precisely - if you rely on religion to tell you what's good,   
   >>> eventually your progeny will disown you.   
   >>   
   >>Why?   
   >   
   > Because what you did wasn't truly moral - religion isn't about   
   > defining morality, it's about power and tribalism.   
      
   If not religion, then who defines morality?   
   Where does morality come from?   
      
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