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From: herpem@bigpond.com
"Kate " wrote in message
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> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:48:05 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>news:49cea36c.1338579328@news-west.newscene.com...
>>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:43:07 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>news:49ccf6c7.1294382062@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:33:34 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>>news:49c8b164.1276619859@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:22:16 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Peter Webb" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:4983e8a8$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>> Atheists have done lots of bad things, but not because they are
>>>>>>>>> atheists,
>>>>>>>>> but because they are bad people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whereas Muslim terrorists do bad things because they are Muslims.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Atheism is not comparable to having religious beliefs; religious
>>>>>>>>> nutters
>>>>>>>>> quite often kill people for religious reasons; atheists do not.
>>>>>>>>> Atheism
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> not a religion, and it does not dictate how people should live and
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> they should hate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let me see if I got that right.
>>>>>>>>Atheists do bad thinngs because they are bad people.
>>>>>>>>Christians do bad things, not because they are bad people, but
>>>>>>>>because
>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>are religious.
>>>>>>>>Is that an Irish joke?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The point is, atheism doesn't justify doing bad things, religion
>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good people do bad things, like not let gay people marry, because of
>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"At that time many will call evil good and they will call good evil."
>>>>>
>>>>> Precisely - if you rely on religion to tell you what's good,
>>>>> eventually your progeny will disown you.
>>>>
>>>>Why?
>>>
>>> Because what you did wasn't truly moral - religion isn't about
>>> defining morality, it's about power and tribalism.
>>
>>If not religion, then who defines morality?
>>Where does morality come from?
>
> Our social genes.
I'm not bible bashing but maybe the following is interestinng for you.
The Bible says the following:
When Gentiles who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law,
these, although not having the law are a law to themselves
Who show the work of the law written in their hearths, their conscience also
bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else
excusing them.
In other words, social genes is God's law written in the hearth of man.
The Catholic church, rather than being authoritarian and controlling has
this to say:
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"20. Conscience, in Catholic teaching, is God's law written on the human
heart (CCC 1777-1802). It is "the most secret core and sanctuary of a man"
where "he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." To obey
conscience "is the very dignity of man; according to it he will be judged"
(Gaudium et Spes 16). We are always obliged to follow our conscience because
it is our last and best judgment about the morality of a particular act."
>
> Think about it - morality is about what helps the group over
> individuals.
Can you give me one example where Christian morality differs from this.
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