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   From: darstec@neo.rr.com   
      
   HD wrote:   
      
   >   
   > "Kate "  wrote in message   
   > news:49da5cf3.1386074062@news-west.newscene.com...   
   >> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:59:18 -0600, "Lord Vetinari"   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>"HD"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:Hgihl.16476$cu.777@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Darrell Stec"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:6ulodpFg2offU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>> HD wrote:   
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   >>>>>> "Darrell Stec"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:6ul8riFfu61jU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>>> HD wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>> "Darrell Stec"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:6ujnk1Ffmpm9U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>>>>> HD wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson"  wrote in message   
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   news:49840f73$0$14863$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> "HD"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Peter Webb"  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:4983e8a8$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists have done lots of bad things, but not because they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists, but because they are bad people.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your dead right. Stalin murdered millions of people because he   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> a communist not an Atheist.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ was a Communist.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Just because he told his followers to give up everything and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> follow   
   >>>>>>>>>>> him? (you don't see the super rich religious right doing that   
   >>>>>>>>>>> today   
   >>>>>>>>>>> now   
   >>>>>>>>>>> do you?)   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Neither did the Pharisees (Seperatists) the super rich who   
   >>>>>>>>>> seperated   
   >>>>>>>>>> themselves from the poor. They didn't like His communist   
   >>>>>>>>>> teachings so   
   >>>>>>>>>> they   
   >>>>>>>>>> had Him Crucified.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> There are several problems with that scenario, the least of which   
   >>>>>>>>> is   
   >>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>> Jesus is a fictitious character of the second century CE.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> When He comes again He will tell you otherwise.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Nymshifting again, I see.  Since he never came before, your use of   
   >>>>>>> "again" is erroneous.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And you know that How?   
   >>>>>> Have you been there?   
   >>>>>> Do you have prove?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is encubent upon the person making the positive statement to offer   
   >>>>> evidence.  You assert the positive, i.e. that Jesus lived.  So it is   
   >>>>> you   
   >>>>> who must provide the evidence.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No-no-no, everyone knows that Jesus lived, You are the one claiming   
   >>>> that he did not live. You are the one going against popular believe.   
   >>>   
   >>>I know that jebus never lived.  I'm more popular, too.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> First of all there is not one contemporary account of Jesus nor of any   
   >>>>> of   
   >>>>> the apostles.  Secondly, it is evident from the gospels themselves   
   >>>>> that the   
   >>>>> stories were written at least 100 years after the period in which   
   >>>>> Jesus was   
   >>>>> said to have been alive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> My gread grandfather died 100 years ago. I can tell you everything   
   >>>> about his life and can write it down. Eg, the name of his father and   
   >>>> mother, his   
   >>>> brothers and sisters, the place were he was born, where he grew up,   
   >>>> when he got married what work he did during his life etc. etc. 100   
   >>>> years is a short time.   
   >>   
   >> You have records, pictures and accounts of other people who knew of   
   >> him.   
   >   
   >   
   > Yes, just like the ones who wrote the Bible.   
   >   
      
      
   You do not seem to be very familiar with that bible.  Let us set aside the   
   fact that there is no such thing as THE bible but rather many, many   
   different versions of bibles which contradict each other.  Let us set aside   
   the fact that until the fourth century CE there was no such thing as a   
   compilation called the bible, but rather a whole lot of independent works   
   of various authors, and even very different versions of those authors   
   circulating in various disparaged communities.  Setting those aside you   
   still have the problem that not one of those authors of the 27 books   
   claimed to have personally known Jesus in their own works.   
      
   Did you even know that the earliest manuscripts we have did not give the   
   names of the book or letter.  Those were added later.  We can see this in   
   one of the oldest manuscripts call the Codex Sinaiticus, written in the   
   fourth century and shows many, many alterations, additions, deleletions   
   made to it by scribes who lived centuries apart from each other?   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Nobody has any of that for Jesus, not even the town where he   
   >> supposedly lived.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>Implanted memories, that's what those are.  You were created in one the   
   >>>CIAs   
   >>>secret labs, but the experiment went wrong.   
   >>>   
   >>   
      
   --   
   Later,   
   Darrell   
      
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