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From: fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au
Richo wrote:
> On Feb 1, 8:20 am, parish.m...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 11:39 pm, Emmaneul Goldstein
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> NewSpeak
>>> "the only language in the world whose vocabulary gets smaller
>>> every year".
>>> "The underlying theory of NewSpeak is that if something can't
>>> be said, then it can't be thought."
>>> "Orwell included an essay about it in the form
>>> of an appendix[*1] in which the basic principles of the
>>> language are explained. NewSpeak is closely based on
>>> English but has a greatly reduced and simplified
>>> vocabulary and grammar. This suits the totalitarian
>>> regime of the Party, whose aim is to make any alternative
>>> thinking — "thoughtcrime", or "crimethink" in the newest
>>> edition of NewSpeak — or speech impossible by removing
>>> any words or possible constructs which describe the
>>> ideas of freedom, rebellion and so on."
>>> One character says admiringly of the shrinking volume of the new
>>> dictionary: "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."
>>> To control thought
>>> *1 NewSpeak Appendix
>>> @ bellyfeel: means a blind, enthusiastic acceptance of an idea.
>>> @ Blackwhite: this word has two mutually contradictory meanings.
>>> Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of
>>> impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction
>>> of the plain facts.
>>> Applied to a Party member, it means a loyal willingness
>>> to say that black is white when Party discipline demands
>>> this. But it means also the ability to believe that black
>>> is white, and more, to know that white is black, and to
>>> forget that one has ever believed the contrary.
>>> This demands a continuous alteration of the past, made
>>> possible by the system of thought which really embraces
>>> all the rest, and which is known in NewSpeak as
>>> doublethink.
>>> @ Crimethink is the NewSpeak word for thoughtcrime (thoughts
>>> that are unorthodox, or are outside the official government
>>> platform), as well as the verb meaning "to commit thoughtcrime".
>>> @Duckspeak: a NewSpeak term meaning literally to quack like a duck
>>> or to speak without thinking. Duckspeak can be either
>>> good or "ungood" (bad), depending on who is speaking,
>>> and whether what they are saying is in following with
>>> the ideals of Big Brother. To speak rubbish and lies
>>> may be ungood, but to speak rubbish and lies for the
>>> good of "The Party" may be good. In the appendix to
>>> 1984, Orwell explains:
>>> "Ultimately it was hoped to make articulate speech
>>> issue from the larynx without involving the higher
>>> brain centres at all."
>>> duckspeak is ambivalent in meaning. Provided that the
>>> opinions which were quacked out were orthodox ones,
>>> it implied nothing but praise.
>>> e.g. Fran is a doubleplusgood duckspeaker
>>> @ Goodthink, which is approved by the Party, is the opposite of
>>> crimethink.
>>> @ Goodsex
>>> and sexcrime: Goodsex is any form of sex considered acceptable by
>>> the Party; specifically, this refers only to sex for
>>> the exclusive purpose of providing new children for
>>> the Party. All other forms of sex are considered
>>> sexcrime.
>>> @ miniluv: "Ministry of Love" (secret police, interrogation and torture)
>>> @ minipax: "Ministry of Peace" (Ministry of War, cf: 'Department of
>>> Defense' vs 'War Department')
>>> @ minitrue: "Ministry of Truth" (propaganda and altering history)
>>> @ miniplenty: "Ministry of Plenty" (keeping the population in
>>> a state of constant economic hardship)
>>> @ misprints: Errors or mispredictions which need to be rectified in
>>> order to prove that the Party is always right.
>>> See malquoted above.
>>> @ oldthink: ideas inspired by events or memories of times prior
>>> to the Revolution.
>>> @ Ownlife: Ownlife refers to the tendency to enjoy being solitary,
>>> which is considered subversive.
>>> @ prolefeed: the steady stream of mindless entertainment to distract
>>> and occupy the masses
>>> @ rectify: Used by the Ministry of Truth as a euphemism for
>>> the deliberate alteration of the past.
>>> @ thinkpol: The Thought Police
>>> @ Unperson: An unperson is a person who has been "vaporized"; who has
>>> been not only killed by the state, but effectively erased
>>> from existence.
>>> See also;
>>> thought-terminating cliché
>> Somebody please tell me what he's blathering about and what, if
>> anything, it has to do with atheism?
>
> He is quoting "1984" by Orwell.
> He is equating Stalinist style dictatorship with atheism.
No, Stalin did that;
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...
all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" - Stalin
- E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin,
Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940
Following that other Atheist, Lenin who launched the Red Terror,
Criemthing, thoughtpol, etc;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
> I.e. he is substituting "atheism" for "Totalitarianism" "the Party"
> etc.
No the Atheists did that:
The horrors of Atheist tyranny outweigh all others:
The documented historical evidence for the Atheist holocausts
of the 20th Century is massive and detailed;
# Russian Civil War (1917-22): 9 000 000 [make link]
* Eckhardt: 500,000 civ. + 300,000 mil. = 800,000
* Readers Companion to Military History, Cowley and Parker, eds.
(1996)
[http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/mil/html/mh_045400_
ussiancivil.htm]:
o Combat deaths: 825,000
o Ancillary deaths: 2,000,000
o TOTAL: 2,825,000
* Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998)
o Civil War and Volga Famine (1918-22): 3,000,000 to 5,000,000
* Brzezinski, Z:
o 6 to 8 million people died under Lenin from war, famine etc.
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