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From: darstec@neo.rr.com
HD wrote:
>
> "Kate " wrote in message
> news:49e19720.1466503546@news-west.newscene.com...
>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:08:46 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>news:49ddfb99.1426688859@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:34:35 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>news:49d95b6b.1385682562@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:12:29 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:49d0bf9b.1345794281@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:48:05 GMT, "HD" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:49cea36c.1338579328@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:43:07 GMT, "HD"
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49ccf6c7.1294382062@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:33:34 GMT, "HD"
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Kate " wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49c8b164.1276619859@news-west.newscene.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:22:16 GMT, "HD"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Peter Webb" wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:4983e8a8$0$20975$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists have done lots of bad things, but not because they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but because they are bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whereas Muslim terrorists do bad things because they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is not comparable to having religious beliefs;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite often kill people for religious reasons; atheists do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a religion, and it does not dictate how people should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should hate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Let me see if I got that right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atheists do bad thinngs because they are bad people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christians do bad things, not because they are bad people,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are religious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is that an Irish joke?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is, atheism doesn't justify doing bad things,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good people do bad things, like not let gay people marry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"At that time many will call evil good and they will call good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>evil."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Precisely - if you rely on religion to tell you what's good,
>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually your progeny will disown you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because what you did wasn't truly moral - religion isn't about
>>>>>>>>>> defining morality, it's about power and tribalism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If not religion, then who defines morality?
>>>>>>>>>Where does morality come from?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our social genes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not bible bashing but maybe the following is interestinng for
>>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Bible says the following:
>>>>>>>When Gentiles who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the
>>>>>>>law,
>>>>>>>these, although not having the law are a law to themselves
>>>>>>>Who show the work of the law written in their hearths, their
>>>>>>>conscience
>>>>>>>also
>>>>>>>bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or
>>>>>>>else
>>>>>>>excusing them.
>>>>>>>In other words, social genes is God's law written in the hearth of
>>>>>>>man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Catholic church, rather than being authoritarian and controlling
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>this to say:
>>>>>>>From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
>>>>>>>"20. Conscience, in Catholic teaching, is God's law written on the
>>>>>>>human
>>>>>>>heart (CCC 1777-1802). It is "the most secret core and sanctuary of a
>>>>>>>man"
>>>>>>>where "he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." To
>>>>>>>obey
>>>>>>>conscience "is the very dignity of man; according to it he will be
>>>>>>>judged"
>>>>>>>(Gaudium et Spes 16). We are always obliged to follow our conscience
>>>>>>>because
>>>>>>>it is our last and best judgment about the morality of a particular
>>>>>>>act."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think about it - morality is about what helps the group over
>>>>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can you give me one example where Christian morality differs from
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't define 'Christian morality' - there is no objective standard
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Try the Bible
>>>>
>>>> Which one? There are dozens - and they don't offer an objective
>>>> standard - only vague conflicting stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Bible to look for is the Latin translation by St. Jerome who had all
>>>the
>>>original manuscripts both in Aramaic and Greek. That Bible has been
>>>translated in every language.
>>
>>
>> Why that one, when there are so many others - did you pick it out of a
>> lineup?
>
> Because it was written by St.Jerome who had original manuscripts.
No he did not. Can you provide links that demonstrates any biblical scholar
of the last century agrees with your statement?
> Later Bibles are mostly translations innto different languages. The one
> exepptionn is the NKJ that was especcially written for Baptists to
> contradict Catholics.
>
>>
>> What gives you the authority?
>
> You did. When you ask a question you give me the authority to answer..
>
>
> Did your God come down and tell you
>> personally?
>
> That is a childish comment.
--
Later,
Darrell
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