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From: herpem@bigpond.com
"William T. Goat" wrote in message
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On Feb 3, 1:23 am,
> "William T. Goat" wrote in
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>
>> "HD" wrote:
>> > I'm not bible bashing but maybe the following is interestinng for you.
>> > The Bible says the following:
>> > When Gentiles who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the
>> > law,
>> > these, although not having the law are a law to themselves
>> > Who show the work of the law written in their hearths, their conscience
>> > also
>> > bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else
>> > excusing them.
>> > In other words, social genes is God's law written in the hearth of man.
>>
>> Then how do you explain the fact that human conscience contradicts
>> God's law?
>
> It doesn't. There are many laws, some have nothing to do with Morality
> while
> others were temporary laws important for a time.
And those laws prescribe evil actions, such as stoning people to death
for working on Saturday. Evil actions are never "important". Anyone
with a conscience can see that.
>> For example, God's law says that people should be stoned to death for
>> gathering firewood on Saturday. Does your conscience agree?
>>
>> Think carefully: *IF* you equate God's law with morality itself, you
>> imply that everything prescribed by God's law is the morally *right*
>> thing to do. Stoning people to death for working on Saturday must be
>> *good*, otherwise it wouldn't be in God's law. But when you see
>> someone working on Saturday, does your conscience really urge you to
>> kill him? I bet it doesn’t. I bet your conscience calls that good
>> thing (stoning people to death) evil. "At that time many will call
>> evil good and they will call good evil."
>>
>> Why would God give you a conscience that disagrees with His own law? I
>> can see (at least) three possibilities:
>>
>> - The Law doesn't come from God.
>> - The conscience doesn't come from God.
>> - God’s Law is not morality.
>>
>> > The Catholic church, rather than being authoritarian and controlling
>> > has
>> > this to say:
>> > From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
>> > "20. Conscience, in Catholic teaching, is God's law written on the
>> > human
>> > heart (CCC 1777-1802). It is "the most secret core and sanctuary of a
>> > man"
>> > where "he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths." To obey
>> > conscience "is the very dignity of man; according to it he will be
>> > judged"
>> > (Gaudium et Spes 16). We are always obliged to follow our conscience
>> > because
>> > it is our last and best judgment about the morality of a particular
>> > act."
What does the Catechism have to say about occasions when somebody's
conscience finds Catholicism itself immoral?
> > > Think about it -morality is about what helps the group over
> > > individuals.
> > Can you give me one example where Christian morality differs from this.
>
> Luke 14:26.
No response to this?
--Billy
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife,
and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also,
he cannot be my disciple."
--Jesus Christ's morality, Luke 14:26
If a woman has to chose between her husband, her friends and her baby, she
will chose her baby. This can be seen as hating her husband. The Aopstles
left their wives to follow Christ.. This can be seen or expressed as hating
their wives. If we have to make a choice between spouse, children, friends
and Christ, we chose Christ.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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