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From: fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au
raven1 wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> raven1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:21:22 GMT, fasgnadh
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In response to a post on "The most influential Atheist of all time"
>>>> your atheist crony claimed **Buddha** WAS the atheist in question!
>>>>
>>>> Ergo 'Atheists' such as Buddha (in your fantasy world) BELIEVE in
>>>> re-incarnation,
>>>
>>> Belief in reincarnation does not require belief in deities.
>>>
>>
>> "Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or
>> metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some
>> variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body.
>> This essential part is often referred to as the spirit or soul, the
>> "higher" or "true" self, "divine spark", or "I". According to such
>> beliefs, a new personality is developed during each life in the physical
>> world, but some part of the self remains constant throughout the
>> successive lives."
>
> That's nice.
>
>> So tell us again about your atheist belief in a 'soul', 'true self'
>> or 'divine spark' being reincarnated AFTER DEATH!!?!!!!???? 8^o
>
> I don't believe in such a thing,
You are in the minority of atheists who have expressed a view.
For 2.3% of the population you atheists have more factions, schisms
and sects than Christianity! B^D
>> The second lot of Atheist Bus Belief ads claimed that DEATH WAS FINAL!
>> THE END! Now you claim you get RE-INCARNATED!!!!!
>
> I made no such claim,
Then your argument is with all the atheists who have.
>> I love the Emily Dickinson Death Cult! It's so ... EMO! B^D
>>
>> Atheist Bus Belief #2:
>>
>> "That it will never come again is what makes life so sweet"
>> - Emily Dickinson
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
>>
>>>> Deva's (god's who influence the world),
>>>
>>> Devas are no more "gods" in any meaningful sense of the word than the
>>> djinni in Islam.
>>
>> So you atheists believe in SUPERNATURAL beings!! Like Faeries at the
>> bottom of the garden! B^D and Genies! B^D
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
>
> No, we don't.
@ Powers of the devas
@
@ From a human perspective, devas share the characteristic
@ of being invisible to the physical human eye. The presence
@ of a deva can be detected by those humans who have opened
@ the divyacak?us (Pali: dibbacakkhu), an extrasensory power
@ by which one can see beings from other planes. Their
@ voices can also be heard by those who have cultivated
@ a similar power of the ear.
@
@ Most devas are also capable of constructing illusory
@ forms by which they can manifest themselves to the
@ beings of lower worlds; higher and lower devas even
@ have to do this between each other.
@
@ Devas do not require the same kind of sustenance as
@ humans do, although the lower kinds do eat and drink.
@ The higher sorts of deva shine with their own intrinsic
@ luminosity.
@
@ Devas are also capable of moving great distances speedily
@ and of flying through the air, although the lower devas
@ sometimes accomplish this through magical aids such as a
@ flying chariot."
Do Atheists borrow these Magic Chariots on the weekends???
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAA
@ " Types of deva
@
@ The devas of the Arupyadhatu have no physical form or location,
@ and they dwell in meditation on formless subjects.
Sounds like some Nappisan and Abu'Baker discussing
probability! B^)
@ "They do not interact with the rest of the universe."
That is definitely some of the atheists in alt.atheistan!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!
So where are the Great Atheist Civilizations? On any Map?
Can we get an Invisible Deva Chariot and go see some of them?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
> I'm pointing out that you're a blithering moron to claim
> that devas are "gods" in Hinduism. Get with the program, you
> blithering moron.
Prove that there is a meaningful difference between Deva's,
Genies, Gods and other supernatural beings! Deva's and Genies
perform miracles and possess supernatural powers, just like Jesus!
(Except Jesus had a real, physical body and your Deva's DONT! B^D
We all lack your mystical powers and knowledge of your invisible sky
friends.. just tell us how they are different - how you know about all
these invisible entities, why you believe in (some of?/all of?) them
and how you know the properties of each, especially the one's you claim
do not exist. I am most interested in the PROOF you have for the
supernatural beings you believe in. B^]
BTW, there is no need to be abusive, it simply shows how your
temper is fraying because your argument about your invisible
sky friends is so weak. B^)
>>
>>>> and the Return of your Atheist Promised One, Maitreya!
>>>
>>> Who is a hypothetical figure in the Mahayana tradition of Buddhism. In
>>> other traditions (Hinayana/Therevada, Zen, etc), no sort of divinity
>>> is postulated; it's simply not a part of the equation.
>>
>>
>> The second coming of Buddha is not part of the religious 'equation'???
>>
> No, it isn't, outside the Mahayana tradition.
As the Mahayana tradition is not only part of the Buddhist tradition,
but is the larger of the two schools, it is most certainly part of
the Buddhist tradition.. and you seem to be exposed as ignorant, and
lacking a point!
"As a living tradition, Mahayana is the larger of the two major
traditions of Buddhism existing today, the other being Theravada."
Your humiliation makes this emotional outburst even more amusing; B^)
> Are you really that
> pig-ignorant of, well, everything on the face of the planet? Or are
> you just so functionally illiterate that you can't parse the second of
> two simple sentences for content?
"When a simpleton abused him, Buddha listened to him in silence,
but when the man had finished asked him,
"Son, if a man declined to accept a present offered to him,
to whom would it belong?"
The man answered "To him who offered it."
"My son," Buddha said, "I decline to accept your abuse.
Keep it for yourself."
- Will Durant The Story of Civilization.
>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
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