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   From: q0320811@mail.connect.usq.edu.au   
      
   bob young  wrote in   
   news:49D09D77.C3919A4@netvigator.com:   
      
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   > David Moss wrote:   
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   >> bob young  wrote in   
   >> news:49CF066D.5C3143A2@netvigator.com:   
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   >> > Virgil wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> In article ,   
   >> >>  fasgnadh  wrote:   
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   >> >> >   
   >> >> >  > If the person making that claim is including non-beleivers in   
   >> >> >  > gods, as well as anti-believers, in his/her definition of   
   >> >> >  > A-theism (without a god), then babies are certainly   
   >> >> >  > non-believers.   
   >> >   
   >> > Babies and young children are innocent until godbots [usually   
   >> > parents] get hold of their brains and then for an entire lifetime   
   >> > they are 'hooked'   
   >> >   
   >> > Borders on the criminal.   
   >> >   
   >> > Every young person should be free from inculcation at home and at   
   >> > school, free to make a calculated decision about ancient myths and   
   >> > whether or not to devote an entire lifetime to them.   
   >>   
   >> Why?   
   >> Surely diversity is better than homogeneity in this matter.   
   >> Let those who believe in God convey that beliefs to their children   
   >> and those who do not do the same. If it actually matters one or the   
   >> other will die out, replaced by the other in the long term through   
   >> natural selection. If it doesn't matter, why are you worried about   
   >> it?   
   >   
   > I am worried about freedom of choice.   
      
   So you think we shouldn't have it?   
   Why do *you* get to decide what people should believe?   
      
   > Children inculcated by parents have little choice.   
      
   There is always a choice. My own religious beliefs are completely   
   different from those of my parents, who's beliefs were quite different   
   from those of their parents.   
      
   > Just about every suicide bomber comes from such a background.   
      
   Really? And you know this how?   
      
   > Brainwashed by their own parents into taking their own lives - over   
   > what?      Nothing - simply a myth.   
      
   Suicide attack has been a military strategy since long before the modern   
   era, and probably pre-dates all the religions we currently criticise for   
   promoting it.   
      
   Strangely, the Abrahamic religions frown on suicide. They believe suicide   
   is a ticket to hell.   
      
   Muslims in particular believe:   
      
   "Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be   
   punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever" [Bukhaaree   
   (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)].   
      
   So the current crop of suicide bombers do it in spite of religion rather   
   than because of it.   
      
   --   
   David Moss   
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