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   From: fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au   
      
   george wrote:   
   > fasgnadh wrote:   
   >> Seon Ferguson demonstrated how little a ham-fisted nutjob can achieve:   
   >>>   
   >>> fasgnadh wrote:   
   >>>> Meteorite Debris climbed in the Wayback Machine to find old misdeeds:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Last night I watched a documentary on the Cathars in France in the   
   >>>>> 1300s and the efforts made by the church to eliminate them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1300???     BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAAA   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I love the way Atheist propagandists have to go back to the MEDIEVAL   
   >>>> period to find misdeeds by ancient Christians for which they will   
   >>>> irrationally hold modern Christians responsible!   B^D   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I love the way how religious scum stand up for the barbaric crimes of   
   >>> the church by saying they happened in the past.   
   >>   
   >> Seon..  you poor hysterical dolt.. THEY DID occur in the past!!!  B^)   
   >>   
   >> 1,300 A.D.  IS THE PAST!! B^D   
   >>   
   >> That is not 'standing up' for those events..  it's the PLAIN SIMPLE TRUTH!   
   >>   
   >> Now, it's clear that plain simple truth is something CLEARLY BEYOND all   
   >> you atheist moral defectives;   
   >>   
   >>  > If that is the truth   
   >>> then we should stop sending former Nazi's to jail   
   >>   
   >> All the illogic of a braindead atheist!  They want everyone else to join   
   >> them in LYING about the past!!!!    B^D   
   >>   
   >> It is a FACT that events in 1300 A.D. ARE In the past, but why you   
   >> lunatics think that means Nazi's shouldn't go to jail (for crimes   
   >> which clearly have ben committed in LIVING MEMORY) is something we   
   >> will leave you blithering idiots to explain to everyone..  (i care not a   
   >> fig for your insane blather!   ;-)   
   >>   
   >>  >>> Europe was hungry for fresh air   
   >>  >>> after nearly a millennium stultifying oppression by the   
   >>  >>> "one true church".   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> True, and Islam provided it!   B^)   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> The problem was Medieval ignorance, it was in contrast to the latest   
   >>  >> Divine Revelation which was launching a brilliant Civilisation to take   
   >>  >> mankind to the next level.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> Of course it was a tussle between an ossified faith and a renewed new   
   >>  >> revelation, because ALL of history is shaped by Spiritual Teachings,   
   >>  >> there were no Atheist Civilisations at all!   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> Thanks for pointing that out!   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> "Those that make NO Mistakes, are those that MADE NOTHING!"  B^D   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> And As we have seen from Atheism in the Modern Era, the choice, if you   
   >>  >> want civilisation, is still which is the best (most contemporary)   
   >>  >> revelation!   B^D   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  The Cathars were heretics like the Gnostics and   
   >>  >>> Manichians centuries before.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> I love it when atheists not the persecution of the religious in the   
   >>  >> past, when the greatest persecution of the religious was in the 20th   
   >>  >> Century, BY ATHEISTS!   8^o   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  > The duality of the Cathars believing that   
   >>  >>> God created the spiritual world and Satan the physical world was said   
   >>  >>> to be completely un-xian but torturing and burning anyone who believed   
   >>  >>> such was entirely xian. The church pulled out out all stops and sent a   
   >>  >>> contingent of inquisitors to root out any descent.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> So how many died in the Medieval Inquisition, compared to the   
   >> 40,000,000   
   >>  >> killed by atheists in the 'modern'(sic) era???   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> It's measured in the THOUSANDS!   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> What hypocrisy, for modern atheists who are DENIERS of the recent   
   >>  >> atheist holocausts, killing millions, to crucify MODERN Christianity   
   >>  >> for Dark Deeds in the Medieval age of Ignorance, which are acknowledged   
   >>  >> by modern Christians and killed thousands!  8^o   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> And these atheist hypocrites then misrepresent MY position as the   
   >>  >> Collective Responsibility Atheists preach in regard to Religions   
   >>  >> ('they are all responsible for the acts of Ancient Times, and of each   
   >>  >> other') when I say simply 'atheism is historically a Tyranny, in EVERY   
   >>  >> case of atheist regimes, and Modern atheism makes itself COMPLICIT by   
   >>  >> refusing to admit it, and becoming atheist Holocaust DENIERS!'   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> Here's the Atheist position, holding the the modern Church responsible   
   >>  >> for ancient misdeeds, dredging up CENTURIES OLD complaints because the   
   >>  >> Church has EVOLVED, while Athesim has REGRESSED, (from   
   >> insignificance in   
   >>  >> history, to 20th century mayhem and murder, and back to irrelevance!   
   >> B^)   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>> The Church or Rome was and still is a retarding force in the history   
   >>  >>> of developing ideas.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> Crap, it is not just   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> The balanced view is that the religion is the ONGOING inspiration and   
   >>  >> sustainer of JUDEAO/CHRISTIAN(/ISLAMIC) CIVILISATION!!!   B^)   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >> There never was any practical 'Atheist alternative..' Atheism   
   >>  >> only produces tyrannies far more violent and repressive than   
   >>  >> the handful of religious aberrations in a history of human progress   
   >>  >> under evolving Spiritual teachings!   B^]   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this   
   >>  >>  ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based   
   >>  >> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world   
   >>  >> view.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  William Turner the "father of English botany"   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,   
   >>  >> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic   
   >>  >> solids was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most   
   >>  >> famous scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion,   
   >>  >> was based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's   
   >>  >> meticulous astronomical observations,   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  Galileo Galilei, remained a commited, rational believer, even when   
   >>  >> persecuted by a corrupt Church. After 600 years the Church   
   >> apologised!  B^D   
   >>  >>   
   >>  >>  René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in   
   >>  >> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system   
   >>  >> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important   
   >>  >> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy   
      
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