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From: seongf@gmail.com
"fasgnadh" wrote in message
news:ogKKl.7755$y61.4341@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Seon Ferguson concedes the argument that atheist states were tyrannies:
>>
>>
>> "fasgnadh" wrote in message
>> news:OQeKl.7384$y61.521@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> zencycle wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> daemonhxl@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm an atheist, and I was arguing with a friend of mine about
>>>>>> religion
>>>>>> when I brought up that blind faith isn't reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, we see such unreasonable blind faith among atheists in
>>>>> alt.atheism, and even more so in the violent and barbaric atheist
>>>>> regimes in history; the USSR, Mao's China and Pol Pot's Year Zero!
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't get more 'unreasonable' than the atheist state's terror,
>>>>> torture and murder of over 40,000,000 people.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He asked me why it needs to be reasonable,
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism isn't reasonable, You can demonstrate that easily
>>>>> as I did by asking atheists who declare "God does not exist"
>>>>> by asking them for rational evidence and PROOF, and they can't
>>>>> provide any, revealing that they act on BLIND FAITH!
>>>>>
>>>>> # Path: news-server.bigpond.net.au!53ab2750!not-for-mail
>>>>> # Subject: Re: IS THERE A REAL GOD
>>>>> # Message-ID:
>>>>> # Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:04:47 GMT
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Richo wrote:
>>>>> # > On Apr 11, 9:14 pm, fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> # >> j-rod wrote:
>>>>> # >>> no
>>>>> # >>
>>>>> # >> Where's the proof?
>>>>> # >
>>>>> # > There can be none.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Precisely.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # j-rod is expressing an UNFOUNDED OPINION, with no basis in evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and I tried to explain to him that reason is the only way
>>>>>> to make sense of the world that is internally consistent.
>>>>>> For example, you may have blind faith that god exists so
>>>>>> isn't it just as justifiable for me to simply say, well I have blind
>>>>>> faith that he does exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you are BOTH expressing faith that god exists! 8^o
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a bit unusual for an atheist, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
>>>>>
>>>>> What is NOT unusual is that every atheist who replied to your post
>>>>> failed to notice how unreasonable it is for an atheist to declare
>>>>> blind faith in God existing! B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> A reasonable argument would have been to compare the Blind Faith
>>>>> of a fundie theist declaring belief that God exists, with the
>>>>> Blind Faith of a fundie atheist declaring belief that God doesn't
>>>>> exist!
>>>>>
>>>>> But that would be too REASONABLE for atheists, who can't admit that
>>>>> BOTH opinions are unproven and it is belief, not reason that forms
>>>>> both
>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > The question then becomes, which one of us is right?
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a LOGICALLY ABSURD statement as you are BOTH expressing
>>>>> the SAME belief... that God Exists!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "you may have blind faith that god exists so
>>>>> isn't it just as justifiable for me to simply say, well I have blind
>>>>> faith that he does exist". Duh!!! B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> And all the atheists who agreed with you clearly DO NOT READ
>>>>> WHAT THEY REPLY TO, they just support fellow atheists in whatever
>>>>> they say, from PREJUDICE, without reason!!!! B^]
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Every time atheists are losing the rational argument, which is every
>>> time, they snip and run away....
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Faith in no way can solve that problem,
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the unreasoning prejudice of atheists who
>>>>> support your post even though it is logically ABSURD
>>>>> is Blind to reasoned faith.. i.e. faith BASED on reason!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> so it isn't a useful basis for belief.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is our understanding of reason flawed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your's clearly is, and all the atheists who blindly agreed with
>>>>> you without actually reading and noticing that you made a logical
>>>>> error! B^)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do I just have to accept reason as being the best method of
>>>>>> discerning
>>>>>> truth as axiomatic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you do.. so go back and start again! B^]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, look at all these MASTERS OF SCIENTIFIC REASON WHO
>>>>> WERE CLEARLY MORE LOGICAL THAN YOU AND ALL THE ATHEISTS
>>>>> WHO BLINDLY BELIEVED YOU WERE MAKING SENSE WHEN THEY
>>>>> HADN'T EVEN READ YOUR POST AND NOTICED THE LOGICAL ERROR!!!!!!
>>>>> Like me, these greatest scientists in human history were
>>>>> all superbly rational beings.. and also believers..you should
>>>>> try to be more rational.. more like them; B^D
>>>>
>>> > wow........
>>>
>>> Most atheists are struck dumb, but then...
>>> most were dumb before the truth struck them!
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
>>>>> ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
>>>>>
>>>>> Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
>>>>> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world
>>>>> view.
>>>>>
>>>>> William Turner the "father of English botany"
>>>>>
>>>>> John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
>>>>> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic
>>>>> solids was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most
>>>>> famous scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion,
>>>>> was based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's
>>>>> meticulous astronomical observations,
>>>>>
>>>>> Galileo Galilei, remained a commited, rational believer, even when
>>>>> persecuted by a corrupt Church. After 600 years the Church apologised!
>>>>> B^D
>>>>>
>>>>> René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
>>>>> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
>>>>> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
>>>>> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
>>>>> partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his
>>>>> ideas with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
>>>>>
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