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   SUPERPOWER DEATH WATCH    
      
   10 27 12 Superpower Death Watch   
      
   WHAT THE SUPERPOWER'S    
   DECLARATION OF WORLD $LAVERY    
   MEANS    
      
      
      
      
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   The ninth annual conference of the Valdai International Discussion Club on The   
   Future Is Being Made Today: Scenarios for Russia’s Economic De   
   elopment...[was] held on October 21-25 in St Petersburg and Moscow.    
      
   [Putin's] Meeting [October 25th] with Valdai International Discussion Club   
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   [Excerpts]    
      
   DEAN OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS DEPARTMENT AT ACADEMY OF FINANCE AND FORMER   
   PRIME MINISTER OF THE REPUBLIC OF POLAND JOZEF OLEKSY:    
      
   We have talked at length over the last four days about the crisis in the   
   European Union and Russia’s attitude toward it.  Could you please share your   
   thoughts on overcoming this crisis?   
      
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   [PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA VLADIMIR PUTIN:]     
      
   First, as far as the crisis in Europe is concerned, this is ultimately not our   
   problem.  I feel that it wouldn’t even be entirely right for me to comment   
   on all of this, because I have a great deal of respect for my European   
   colleagues.  They are    
   facing extremely difficult economic, social and political challenges, and I do   
   not really want to throw in my own comments which, one way or another, might   
   put some sort of pressure on them.    
      
   I can only repeat what I have said at international meetings, and our position   
   is publicly known, so I will not go into details.  I will say the following.    
   Naturally, what we are seeing now in Europe is a *systemic* [note: NOT   
   systematic] crisis, and it    
   is *not caused by debt alone.*  I think the problem goes far deeper. It is   
   partially [1] political in nature, partially [2] technological, and partially   
   pertains to problems with the [3] integration process itself.    
      
   [1] As for its political nature, I think it’s on the surface.  To paraphrase   
   Churchill, the current system of power is a terrible system, but it’s the   
   best we’ve got.  Where does it lead to in practice? We all understand that.    
   A party striving for    
   power, promising everything unsparingly.  *That is the nature of today’s   
   civilised world.*  They keep making promises, and then try to fulfil some of   
   them.  If they don’t, that’s it; they stand almost no chance in the next   
   election.  So they do it    
   at any price [= debt].    
      
   [2] What should be done *if* the level of development (this is the next   
   problem, a technological one), the level of productive power, the level of   
   technological development and technological structure in today’s world does   
   *not*  allow us to quickly    
   ensure [a] fast-growing and increasing drive for consumption?     
      
   [ State monopoly capitalist overproduction is messing up society --but we'll   
   call it a technological structure problem! ]    
      
   At some [early] stage, this was ensured through technological development [the   
   steam engine], but *it is no longer the case.*  So during such periods, I   
   always recall Kondratyev, our scientist who spoke about long waves of crisis.    
   It seems this long    
   wave has come. We need a change in technological structure so as to ensure a   
   growing demand for consumption.  And this change in technological structure   
   has *not* yet occurred.    
      
   The political system is such that it promises everything, but is not able to   
   deliver.  Citizens are used to living at a certain level, and there is nothing   
   that could convince people in Spain, for example, that they should live the   
   same way as people in    
   rural China.  China is ensuring its growth rates by using technology and a   
   constant flow of millions of workers to large cities.  That opportunity does   
   not exist in Europe.  So what’s the source of growth then?  *Debt, debt,   
   debt.*  They have turned on    
   the monetary printing press.  And these are the results of the problems that   
   lie deeper.  That is what caused the debt crisis.    
      
   I think that Germany’s leaders are taking a very pragmatic position that   
   *the systemic problems* which led to this state must *first* be eliminated,   
   and *then* additional resources should be injected. If the opposite is done   
   then the additional    
   resources will simply be dissolved, they will only provide a temporary ‘kick   
   in the butt’.  But there will not be sufficient acceleration in order to   
   overcome the entire distance that would allow Europe to get out of crisis.    
   Indeed, I think that    
   this is pretty evident.    
      
   Yes, of course, the position must be flexible. Naturally, certain monetary   
   measures –-additional issues, attempts to artificially heat up the   
   economy-– have a short-term effect, but you know, that’s like a pill that   
   simply reduces a fever but does    
   not cure the disease itself.    
      
   So I think that systemic measures are necessary.  In my view, those are   
   exactly the kind of measures that EU leaders are inclined to use.  And in any   
   case, everyone within the EU leadership –-and the people in all the EU   
   nations in general are very    
   competent and well-versed in economic matters-– they all understand what   
   needs to be done.    
      
   [3] The question concerns the political frameworks in which they find   
   themselves, and whether these frameworks give them the opportunity to work in   
   the right direction or hold them back.  As for what our colleagues will   
   ultimately do, that is, first and    
   foremost, a European choice.    
      
   As for the idea of Russia joining the EU, we all understand perfectly well   
   that this is not realistic either from the point of view of our size or our   
   economic organisation.  But I think we should most certainly look for means of   
   rapprochement so as to    
   make use of the synergy to be gained from combining the efforts of Russia and   
   its European partners.    
      
      
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