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   Just Wondering to Scout   
   Re: Louisiana Court Overturns Gay Marria   
   04 Oct 14 17:52:49   
   
   XPost: alt.law-enforcement, alt.atheism, talk.politics.guns   
   XPost: alt.survival   
   From: fmhlaw@comcast.net   
      
   On 10/4/2014 4:56 PM, Scout wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > "Just Wondering"  wrote in message   
   > news:54305c56$0$4775$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net...   
   >> Scout wrote:   
   >>> Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>> Scout wrote:   
   >>>>> Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Under Utah law, Kodi has only one wife, Mari has only one husband,   
   >>>>>> and   
   >>>>>> the other three ladies have no marital partner at all.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Then why were they being investigated then?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Because Utah's bigamy statute, Utah Code Ann. 76-7-101 states:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> (1) A person is guilty of bigamy when, knowing he has a husband or   
   >>>> wife or knowing the other person has a husband or wife, the person   
   >>>> purports to marry another person or cohabits with another person.   
   >>>> (2) Bigamy is a felony of the third degree.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Kodi Brown had a wife, Mari, and also cohabited with three other   
   >>>> women. Under Utah law, he was committing three felonies.   
   >>>   
   >>> And yet it were the Browns that were under investigation. So why were   
   >>> they investigating all 5 if the issue was only with him?   
   >>>   
   >> Because Utah case law construes "cohabits" to mean "lives together as   
   >> husband and wife." if the state wanted to charge Kodi with "unlawful   
   >> cohabitation" bigamy, it would have to prove that Kodi lived together   
   >> as man and wife with one or more of the other women.  Which means that   
   >> to bring the charge against Kodi, the state would have to prove the   
   >> other women's living arrangements with Kodi.   
   >   
   > Ah, but you've already told me that Utah only sees him as married to one   
   > of the women. So how can he cohabit with the others?   
   >   
   Are you really that obtuse?  By being legally married to Meri, while   
   living together with Janelle as husband and wife, living together with   
   Christine as husband and wife, and living together with Robyn as husband   
   and wife?   
      
   > Oh, and would not that the women also cohabit with the other women.   
   > Because nothing in the term cohabitation says "lives together as husband   
   > and wife" only that they cohabitate as married people do.   
   >   
   Don't you even read what you're responding to?  Under the Utah bigamy   
   law, "cohabit" doesn't mean simply living together.  As I already said,   
   Utah case law construes "cohabit" to mean "LIVE TOGETHER AS HUSBAND AND   
   WIFE."  Meri and Robyn never lived together as husband and wife, so they   
   didn't cohabit within the meaning of the bigamy statute.   
      
   Here's a quote from State v. Barlow, 107 Utah 292, 153 P.2d 647, 651-652   
   (Utah 1944):   
      
     we proceed to consider the contentions of appellants in the order in   
   which they are stated hereinabove. The first has to do with the meaning   
   of the word “cohabit” as used in the statute, the information and the   
   stipulation.   
      
   Subsequent to the enactment by Congress in 1882 of the statute making   
   unlawful cohabitation a penal offense in territory within the exclusive   
   jurisdiction of the United States, prosecutions and convictions followed   
   in many cases in the Territory of Utah, a number of which reached the   
   Territorial Supreme Court, among them United States v. Cannon, 4 Utah   
   122, 7 P. 369, and United States v. Musser, 4 Utah 153, 7 P. 389. The   
   Cannon case was appealed to the United States Supreme Court, The   
   decision in that court construed the statute, giving to the word   
   “cohabit” therein the same meaning ascribed it by the territorial court.   
   Cannon v. United States, 116 U.S. 55, 6 S.Ct. 278, 29 L.Ed. 561.   
   However, in Cannon v. United States, 118 U.S. 355, 6 S.Ct. 1064, 29   
   L.Ed. 561, the United States Supreme Court having decided in Snow v.   
   United States, 118 U.S. 346, 6 S.Ct. 1059, 30 L.Ed. 207, that the court   
   was without jurisdiction of the writ of error in such case set aside its   
   decision theretofore rendered in the Cannon case. However, the dismissal   
   of the writ in the United States Supreme Court left the decision of the   
   Territorial Court unimpaired. Furthermore, the definition of the word   
   “cohabit” given in that case is but the dictionary definition. The   
   present Webster's International unabridged dictionary gives the   
   following definition of “cohabit”: “1. To dwell or abide in company.   
   Archaic. 2. To dwell or live together as husband and wife * * *.” For   
   more than 60 years the word “cohabit” as used in the statutes has had   
   the ordinary common meaning––to live together as husband and wife. When   
   Congress adopted the statute above cited, it palpably did not have in   
   mind the archaic definition applicable to some ancient literature or   
   poetry, but the modern definition and meaning of the word. See cases   
   cited in 7 Words and Phrases, Perm.Ed. p. 554, et seq. Too, the   
   observations made by the United States Supreme Court in construing the   
   statute, while not authoritative as case law, are here pertinent: “The   
   word is never used in its first [archaic] meaning in a criminal statute;   
   and its second meaning is that to which its use in this statute has   
   relation. The context in which it is found, and the manifest evils which   
   gave rise to the special enactments in regard to ‘cohabitation,’ require   
   that the word should have the meaning which we have assigned to it.   
   Bigamy and polygamy might fail of proof for want of direct evidence of   
   any marriage; but cohabitation with more than one woman, in the sense   
   proved in this case, was susceptible of the proof here given; and it was   
   such offense as was here proved that section 3 of the act was intended   
   to reach,––the exhibition of all the indicia of a marriage, a household,   
   and a family, twice repeated.”   
      
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