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   From: fmhlaw@comcast.net   
      
   On 11/21/2014 10:46 PM, CLz6dCxDCFBpU01ZZONL wrote:   
   > In article <546feb0b$0$17939$882e7ee2@usenet-news.net>,   
   >   Just Wondering  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 11/21/2014 12:07 PM, CLz6dCxDCFBpU01ZZONL wrote:   
   >>>    Just Wondering  wrote:   
   >>>> On 11/20/2014 1:07 PM, CLz6dCxDCFBpU01ZZONL wrote:   
   >>>>> Just Wondering  wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 11/19/2014 12:52 PM, CLz6dCxDCFBpU01ZZONL wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> at one time Native Americans owned *ALL* of North America, but you took   
   >>>>>>> almost all of their land, gave them a few beads and gave none of it   
   >>>>>>> back.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There never was a single group of Native Americans.  There were dozens,   
   >>>>>> of different groups, some of whom had comparatively well developed   
   >>>>>> civilizations and governments, others who were unorganized savages.   
   >>>>>> Some groups did not even have the concept of property ownership.   
   >>>>>> Certainly Native Americans never "owned" all of North America, at least   
   >>>>>> not in the sense that we understand land ownership.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> you could say that about all of Europe, Africa, etc, but it doesn't   
   >>>>> change the fact that in the Americas, the land didn't belong to the   
   >>>>> Europeans   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> So what?  You could just as well say say that there's no land anywhere   
   >>>> that once didn't belong to someone else.  So since your original claim   
   >>>> above is a lie, what's your point?   
   >>>   
   >>> all land at didn't belong to someone else.   
   >>>   
   >> Tell us who owns a parcel of land today, who owned that same land five   
   >> thousand years ago. Put your answer here:   
   >   
   > In the Americas, the land was "owned" by the Native Americans,   
    >   
   That's crap.  Name the person who, in 2990 BCE, owned the 600 acres at   
   the center of what is now present-day Death Valley, California.  Who   
   owned Mount McKinley five thousand years ago?  Or  Ellesmere Island? Or   
   the present location of Venice, Louisiana?  Or any other identifiable   
   parcel in the entire Western Hemisphere?   
      
   >>   
   >> I also point out you ignored my question, so I ask again:   
   >> What's your point?   
   >   
   > That the Americas didn't belong to the Europeans, it's pretty straight   
   > forward   
   >   
   So what?  Much of the Americas didn't belong to ANYONE.  Much of what   
   did belong to someone, that someone took by force from its previous   
   possessors.  Much of what did belong to someone when Europeans came,   
   that someone voluntarily transferred ownership to Europeans, and then   
   that land DID belong to Europeans.   
      
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