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|    Re: the founding fathers were protection    |
|    01 Dec 14 10:06:24    |
      IRS.FBI.NSA.CIA.EPA.ObamaCare.gov       XPost: alt.politics.economics, alt.law-enforcement, alt.prisons       XPost: alt.revisionism, alt.atheism, alt.conspiracy       XPost: alt.politics.immigration, alt.true-crime, talk.politics.guns       XPost: misc.survivalism, soc.culture.usa, alt.survival       From: I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-THE-ObamaRegime-SPY-NETWORK@IRS.       BI.NSA.CIA.EPA.ObamaCare.gov              On 11/30/2014 11:33 PM, nickname unavailable wrote:       > On Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:02:20 PM UTC-6, Rudy Canoza wrote:       >> On 11/30/2014 5:13 PM, nickname unavailable, because "shitbag" was       >> taken, lied:       >>       >>       >> Neither. The founding fathers - libertarian free traders, one and all -       >> were neither collectivist nor protectionist.       >       > no.       >       >       >       > redistribution occurs, because its legal, its in the constitution, the       founders were all for it, its good for america, its not in rational dispute.       >       >       > THE U.S CONSTITUTION       >       > Article 1 Section 8- "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect       Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the       common Defense and general Welfare of the United States."              Who's welfare is it in to redistribute? The middle class is dying out       there under this Socialist redistribution.                     >       > THE VERY FIRST LEGISLATION WAS PROTECTIONISM       > The Tariff Act of 1789, signed into law by President George Washington on       July 4, 1789, was the first substantive legislation passed by the first       Congress. This act, together with the Collection Act of 1789, operated as a       device both to protect trade        and to raise revenues for the federal government.              The constitution allows for taxes;       "to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare       of the United States."              SO what is "the United States" in this Sentence and where is the power       to redistribute?               [Amendment X] The *powers not delegated to the United States* by the       Constitution, *nor prohibited by it to the States* , are reserved to the       States respectively, *or to the people* .              Amendment 10 says that *the people* are NOT the same thing as *the*       *Unites* *States* . If it was, then giving "a power" to the United       States would also be giving that power simultaneously to the people.              And we know that the people held all the powers that were given by the       constitution to the United States SO *the people* and *the* *United*       *States* are different entities or groups. They are NOT THE SAME THING.              Charity or "redistribution" is declared by the constitution to be the       realm of the People and the States themselves NOT "the United States" by       the lack of that power being delegated to "the United States".                     --        *Rumination*       #46 - Welcome to Socialism, where mediocrity is the highest achievement       possible.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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