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   From: I-WAS-JUST-GANG-PROBED-BY-THE-ObamaRegime-SPY-NETWORK@IRS.   
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   On 12/20/2014 10:15 PM, Ringer wrote:   
   > BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >> On 12/20/2014 12:47 PM, nickname unavailable wrote:   
   >>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:20:32 AM UTC-6, Ringer wrote:   
   >>>> Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>>> On 12/20/2014 3:59 AM, Ringer wrote:   
   >>>>>>> More Democrat failure.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Scotty, they are talking about a national minimum wage to reduce   
   >>>>>> poverty ...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Can you point out where in the Constitution we, the people,   
   >>>>> delegated the authority to "reduce poverty" through compulsion?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> After you have done that, let's talk about where that authority   
   >>>>> comes from.  Please describe how you, as an individual, has the   
   >>>>> authority over me, as an individual, to tell me how much I must   
   >>>>> pay my employees.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Nickname unavailable beat me to it. My representatives have the   
   >>>> authority, not me. If your representatives win out, there's nothing   
   >>>> I can do about it. That still doesn't mean they are right. If the   
   >>>> government can force me to serve in the military to protect you,   
   >>>> you can at least pay me a decent wage when I get out.   
   >>   
   >> You assume that you deserve a job under the constitution and there is   
   >> NO "RIGHT" to a job that is recognized in my copy of the constitution.   
   >>   
   >> Point it out if you see one.   
   >>   
   >> If you have NO right to a job then you have no right to a specific or   
   >> limited paycheck that is set by congress.   
   >>   
   >> The point I was making is that a Minimum wage didn't help you, it hurt   
   >> you and others that needed more work and more money, since that   
   >> Government set wage has disrupted the free economic exchange and cause   
   >> there to be fewer jobs and they offer less working opportunity to you   
   >> the minimum wage earner.  By hurting the economy you are hurting   
   >> public WELFARE.  That's actually violating Article 1 Section 8 that   
   >> says;   
   >>   
   >> "Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,   
   >> Duties, Imposts and Excises, *to pay the Debts and provide for* the   
   >> common Defence and *general Welfare* of the United States; but all   
   >> Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United   
   >> States; "   
   >>   
   >> By definition it's like ObamaCare (A TAX) where the employers can only   
   >> buy the government authorized product being "human labor" and they   
   >> have   
   >> no choice as to the lowest cost like ObamaCare and if they don't buy   
   >> it   
   >> at that price they pay a penalty...   Which makes it a tax on "buying   
   >> labor" and there is that penalty for no paying that minimum price.   
   >>   
   >> That makes it.... "according to the precedence in the ObamaCare laws   
   >> ruling"  a tax law. And the tax laws are subject to Article 1 Section   
   >> 8   
   >> and General welfare and there is no "general welfare"  if it's   
   >> creating more unemployment.   
   >>   
   >> I can't see any Federal minimum wage being constitutional given the   
   >> evidence.   
   >>   
   >> As for States, I really don't care if they hurt their residents, I   
   >> care when ideologues try to hurt me by hurting the economy to apply   
   >> their Socialist dogma onto me.   
   >   
   > You need to get a copy of the constitution evryone else has. Yours obviously   
   > has an interpretive flaw in it. If our representatives determine that it's   
   > in the best interest of the country to have gainful employment and a decent   
   > wage, they certainly do have a constitutional right to do it. Ever here of   
   > eminent domain.   
      
   eminent domain requires payment of the value of the property to the owner.   
      
   When government spend someone else's money they're taking it from them   
   and are thereby confiscating their property.   
      
   To do that government has to then repay that loss to them. SO government   
   spending my money with eminent domain and minimum wage means they have   
   to pay for the value they are stealing from me.   
      
   SO when you set a minimum wage and call it eminent domain you are   
   constitutionally required to pay the people you are confiscating   
   property from for that property, even if it's cash or machinery or Obama   
   confiscating GM from it's owners that ran it broke. Obama was   
   constitutionally forced to pay for what he confiscated but he never did.   
      
   Obama is a common thief and fraudster.   
      
   > Why do we need to wait for a war before the government hires   
   > people for the war effort?   
      
   Federal Government its self can hire them to dig holes and fill them   
   back in if that's what they decide to do and pay them what they want,   
   they just can't tell me what I have to pay them when I hire them to dig   
   a hole for me.   
      
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