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   From: davidjhughes.tx@netzero.com   
      
   On 1/29/2015 1:16 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   > On 1/29/2015 2:05 PM, Keeley Crawford wrote:   
   >> In article ,   
   >>   BeamMeUpScotty   
      
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And solar/wind use so much fossil fuel to build the Solar/wind   
   >>>>>>> products and maintain them that there is little or no shrinkage in the   
   >>>>>>> carbon footprint.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> but of course those coal/gas/nuke plants require so much less fossil   
   >>>>>> fuel to build, correct?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> In comparison to the fuel they burn long term, they are more efficient,   
   >>>>> and in comparison to the Co2 they produce there is little difference.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> complete and utter bullshit. nukes produce so much more Co2...takes an   
   >>>> awful lot of materials (more than any other type of plant) to build them   
   >>>> and that doesn't include the materials to build the fuel processing   
   >>>> plants all of which generate Co2   
   >>>   
   >>> And the nuclear plants produce a thousand to a million times the Co2   
   >>> free energy of a windmill... over their lifetime and the Nuclear plant   
   >>> will out live the windmill.   
   >>   
   >> which is then produced when you "safely" dismantle the plant, build a   
   >> disposal site that can safely take radioactive waste and provide the   
   >> staffing and transportation to guard it   
   >   
   > Fill it with concrete and bury it like a trash dump.   
   >   
   >>>> of course by your standard, a PV could last almost indefinitely and   
   >>>> reduce Co2 every hour it works   
   >>>   
   >>> When one PV cell fails the panel is all but trash.   
   >>   
   >> the cells are quite often in parallel so that isn't true, but like   
   >> steel, the components can be repaired or recycled...silicon has a very   
   >> long lifetime   
   >   
   > that also makes more Co2 from fossil energy.   
      
   Or simply build the Solar cell manufacturing and recycling facilities in   
   areas that use hydroelectric power.   
   Zero fossil fuel use.   
   Use the solar cells to supplement the hydroelectric grid with the   
   hydroelectric balancing the supply/demand.   
   Zero fossil fuel use.   
      
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