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   On 7/2/2015 9:19 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   > On 07/01/2015 08:44 PM, Sid9 wrote:   
   >> Episcopalians Vote to Allow Gay Marriage in Churches   
   >> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSJULY 1, 2015, 8:25 P.M. E.D.T.   
   >>   
   >> SALT LAKE CITY - Episcopalians voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to allow   
   >> religious weddings for same-sex couples, solidifying the church's   
   >> embrace of gay rights that began more than a decade ago with the   
   >> pioneering election of the first openly gay bishop.   
   >>   
   >> The vote came in Salt Lake City at the Episcopal General Convention,   
   >> just days after the U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage   
   >> nationwide. It passed in the House of Deputies, the voting body of   
   >> clergy and lay participants at the meeting. The House of Bishops had   
   >> approved the resolution Tuesday by 129-26 with five abstaining.   
   >>   
   >> The Very Rev. Brian Baker of Sacramento said the church rule change was   
   >> the result of a nearly four-decade long conversation that has been   
   >> difficult and painful for many. Baker, chair of the committee that   
   >> crafted the changes, said church members have not always been kind to   
   >> one another but that the dynamic has changed in recent decades.   
   >>   
   >> "We have learned to not only care for, but care about one other," Baker   
   >> said. "That mutual care was present in the conversations we had. Some   
   >> people disagreed, some people disagreed deeply, but we prayed and we   
   >> listened and we came up with compromises that we believe make room and   
   >> leave no one behind."   
   >>   
   >> Baker said the House of Bishops prayed and debated the issue for five   
   >> hours earlier this week before passing it on to the House of Deputies.   
   >>   
   >> The Rev. Bonnie Perry of Chicago, a lesbian married to a fellow   
   >> Episcopal priest, hugged fellow supporters on Wednesday and said, "We're   
   >> all included now."   
   >>   
   >> "For the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in our   
   >> congregations now know under the eyes of God and in every single state   
   >> in this blessed country, they are welcome to receive all the   
   >> sacraments," she said.   
   >>   
   >> Jose Luis Mendoza-Barahona of Honduras gave an impassioned speech,   
   >> saying the new church law goes against the Bible and would create a   
   >> chasm in the church.   
   >>   
   >> "The fight has not ended, it's starting," he said. "Those of us in the   
   >> church who are loyal followers of Christ are going to remain firm in not   
   >> recognizing what happened today."   
   >>   
   >> The vote eliminates gender-specific language from church laws on   
   >> marriage so that same-sex couples could have religious weddings. Instead   
   >> of "husband" and "wife," for example, the new church law will refer to   
   >> "the couple." Under the new rules, clergy can decline to perform the   
   >> ceremonies. The changes were approved 173-27. The deputies also approved   
   >> a gender-neutral prayer service for marriage on a 184-23 vote.   
   >>   
   >> The measures take effect the first Sunday of Advent, Nov. 29.   
   >>   
   >> Many dioceses in the New York-based church of nearly 1.9 million members   
   >> have allowed their priests to perform civil same-sex weddings, using a   
   >> trial prayer service to bless the couple. Still, the church hadn't   
   >> changed its own laws on marriage until Wednesday.   
   >>   
   >> The Episcopal Church joins two other mainline Protestant groups that   
   >> allow gay marriage in all their congregations: the United Church of   
   >> Christ and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). The 3.8-million-member   
   >> Evangelical Lutheran Church in America lets its congregations decide for   
   >> themselves, and many of them host gay weddings.   
   >>   
   >> The United Methodist Church, by far the largest mainline Protestant   
   >> church with 12.8 million members, bars gay marriage, although many of   
   >> its clergy have been officiating at same-sex weddings recently in   
   >> protest.   
   >   
   > Episcopal Church, 1.8 million members   
   > United Church of Church, 980,000 members   
   > Presbyterian Church USA, 1.7 million members   
   > Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, 3.8 million members   
   >   
   > All together these Churches have around nine million members and are   
   > considered "mainstream churches.   
   >   
   > The Southern Baptist convention, which I believe is the largest   
   > protestant church in the nation has about 15.75 million members and is   
   > not considered to be mainstream   
   >   
   > Sort of makes one wonder just who determines "mainstream" and what the   
   > parameters are.   
   >   
   And it really didn't matter what any churches did with the gay issue   
   anyways, "WE REALLY DON'T CARE" the only real question is the violations   
   of the constitution... and the Courts ruling sort of tells everyone that   
   they had to fudge the laws to make Gays Marriage "legal"  since the real   
   questions was NOT gays delusions but religious rights of WE THE PEOPLE   
   actually in the constitution and in the end WE THE PEOPLE LOST SOME MORE   
   OF OUR RIGHTS to a bunch of delusional mentally ill and sexually   
   perverted gender confused Darwinian rejects. And the constitution was   
   violated yet again.   
      
   Like it was with abortion when they said that until someone proves a   
   human life in a uterus is a person then murder inside a uterus is legal.   
      
   Well a gay is NOT a real person any more than a fetus until you can   
   prove that being gay isn't just a delusion all in the head of the gays.   
      
   It's NOT bad enough that the court failed but they even contradicted   
   their own failed ruling in a case where they should have asked that very   
   question.   
      
   There is NO way the court could have gone any more wrong, they took   
   failure to it's total extreme. This puts the entire courts existence in   
   question. And combined with congress and the President it's a total   
   failure of all three branches of government....  NOT a likely natural   
   scenario, which means that Occam's Razor says that someone must be   
   directly creating all that failure.   
      
   The constitution is under full assault and Obama has failed to honor his   
   oath of office, and remember who read that Oath of office to Obama, it   
   was the useless justice on the Supreme Court, it was Roberts.   
      
   Apparently the Harvard blind are leading the Harvard blind and none of   
   them know what an oath is.   
      
   --   
    That's Karma   
      
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