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   On 7/7/2015 4:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:   
   >   
   > "BeamMeUpScotty"   
   >    
   > wrote in message news:1QWmx.91976$RR7.83952@fx13.iad...   
   >> On 7/7/2015 4:10 PM, wy wrote:   
   >>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >>>> On 7/7/2015 1:03 PM, milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 8:51:43 AM UTC-7, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:35:08 -0700 (PDT), milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 7:14:10 AM UTC-7, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:59:30 -0400, NoBody    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:59:34 -0700 (PDT), milt.shook@gmail.com   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 7:55:22 PM UTC-7, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 07/06/2015 09:49 PM, milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 5:51:43 PM UTC-7, David Hartung   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/06/2015 05:23 PM, milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 3:07:20 PM UTC-7, David Hartung   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/06/2015 10:56 AM, milt.shook@gmail.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 8:47:23 AM UTC-7, Tom Sr. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 11:24:30 AM UTC-4, David   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cease and desist can be found on pages 42 and 43   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the order.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Slander* is NOT PROTECTED by the 1st Amendment, Hartung.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems you did not know this.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fairness, the cease and desist order wasn't about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slander. It was about the Kleins continuing to insist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that they intended to continue to break the law and keep   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refusing to serve the homo-gays cuz icky.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIlt, I just noticed this.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have characterized the Kleins actions and their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation for those   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions. The Kleins have what they believe to be valid   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious reasons for their actions, actions which they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still believe to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be lawful under the US Constitution. Until you at least   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledge   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, there is really not much more to discuss.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have characterized them as law-breakers because they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are. They broke the law, and they have expressed a desire   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to continue breaking the law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either this is a country of laws or it's not. If they want   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to engage in civil disobedience, that's fine, but as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who has engaged in civil disobedience in the past,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NO ONE gets to break the law and escape scot-free.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what they think is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional. When you show such compassion to people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who do drugs and demand that they escape punishment for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being addicts with the same level of vehemence that you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demand for the Kleins, I'm afraid you have no credibility   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this issue.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They broke the law. It's really that simple. If they want   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to not be the case, invite them down to Mississippi.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the people of Oregon have spoken; they've decided they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want people to be able to discriminate against   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who happen to be gay.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I repeat. I can't explain the level of DISGUST I have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a member of the Christian clergy advocating for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone to be allowed to discriminate against people in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name of God/Christ. It's sickening.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Milt, I am very sorry that I disgust you so much, but the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> truly yours. I have never expressed anything remotely   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaching hate   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> for those who deal with same sex attraction.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Denying them their rights isn't hate?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, David; we're STILL not talking about religious   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> marriage. We're talking about the issue of civil marriage   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> licenses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You are advocating to deny people their civil rights because   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> you don't approve of the choices they make. How is that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their problem?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The left is utterly unable, or unwilling to recognize that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> to oppose   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> something is not the same as hating those who support it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I'm afraid it is. When you're talking about denying   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> them CIVIL RIGHTS because, in your view, they "sin" is hate.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You are placing yourself above them. It's the same thing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that kept black people as second-class citizens for a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> century after they were "freed." If it's not hate, what is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> it? What do you call it when someone denies someone else   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> civil rights because of who they are?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You have a very warped understanding of hate.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Nope. That would be you.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "I don't hate them. I just don't want them to have the same   
   >>>>>>>>>> rights as me," is pretty warped.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Unless they are religious in which case rights are irrelevant to   
   >>>>>>>>> Miltie.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Of course gays have always had the same rights as everybody   
   >>>>>>>> else.. Now   
   >>>>>>>> they have special rights thank to the liberal judges   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No. They were denied their rights previously. Now they have them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Of course gays have always had the same rights as everybody else..   
   >>>>>> Now   
   >>>>>> they have special rights thank to the liberal judges   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> There are no such things as "special rights," Stalker. Thanks for   
   >>>>>>> playing.   
   >>>>>>>   
      
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