XPost: rec.arts.drwho   
   From: gkennington@potatojunkie.co.uk.invalid   
      
   I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when   
   The Doctor got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:   
   > In article ,   
   > Lord Alan of Zarbiface   wrote:   
   >>The Doctor wrote:   
   >>> In article ,   
   >>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:   
   >>>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:h89290$cvd$1@gallifrey.nk.ca...   
   >>>>> In article ,   
   >>>>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:   
   >>>>>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:h887b1$omj$1@gallifrey.nk.ca...   
   >>>>>>> Which Telos came first?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Star Trek's or Doctor Who?   
   >>>>>> Don't ever claim you're no troll again Yads.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Telos has never been in Star Trek (to my knowledge). Vulcan has. It was   
   >>>>>> suggested as the name for a possible 10th planet back in the 1800s. And   
   >>>>>> you   
   >>>>>> know that - you were involved in a thread about it back in 2002, in   
   which   
   >>>>>> you stated (in your usual garbled fashion) "Doctor Who was in first."   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So now you've cross-posted the question to both a Dr Who group and a   
   Star   
   >>>>>> Trek group, presumably because you're hoping for a flamewar.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> You either have never seen the Cage or never watch The Menagerie.   
   >>>> I've seen both. The planet in the Cage was Telos IV.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you know that Telos IV is mentioned in the Cage, you should know that   
   the   
   >>>> Cage was completed in 1965 as a pilot and portions of it were used in the   
   >>>> Menagerie which was first broadcast in November 1966. Telos was first   
   >>>> mentioned in Tomb of the Cybermen which was broadcast in September 1967.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Can you do the maths Yads?   
   >>>   
   >>> The first pilot was 1954.   
   >>>   
   >>> BTW , my mistake.  Sounds so similar.   
   >>   
   >>I'm afraid you've just made another mistake. The Star Trek pilot was in   
   >>1964.   
   >   
   > MCMCXIV   
   >   
   > I will relook if those are the roman numerals I saw.   
      
   They weren't.  I doubt that any (serious) production has used those   
   Roman numerals.   
      
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