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On 2025-01-09 8:36 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino wrote:
>> On 2025-01-09 4:49 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> The fourth and final Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star Trek:
>>>> Nemesis, put a nail in the coffin of what wasat the timea dying Star
Trek
>>>> franchise. Star Trek: Nemesis saw Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick
Stewart)
>>>> confront a younger clone of himself,
>>>
>>> That doesn’t look anything like him
>>>
>>>
>>> Shinzon (Tom Hardy), who had been
>>>> created by Romulans to secretly replace Picard.
>>>
>>> Who he doesn’t look anything like
>>>
>>>
>>> Shinzon had been discarded to
>>>> the mines of Remus
>>>
>>> Hey! Look! They got the name of the planet wrong!
>>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Romulan Empire centered on two
>> planets, Romulus and Remus, which (probably not coincidentally) are the
>> names of the founder of Ancient Rome here on Earth?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus
>>
>> I haven't seen all of the movies or all of the series but isn't a two
>> planet base for the Romulan Empire mentioned in one of them? Or am I
>> muddling mythology and Star Trek lore?
>
> The first time we ever see the Romulans in Star Trek TOS “ Balance of
> Terror“ we also see this map which subsequent tricks got wrong
>
> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSELhX7B6
KQfU2PsmyGRbkM_pXBALMXKlEsw&s
>
> Note that the name of the second planet is ROMII.
>
> “Remus“ is just another TNG mistake.
>
> There are multiple fan wanks for this. One is that Remus is the third
> planet in the system. The one they don’t talk about. The other is that
> Remus is an alternate name for Romii. But the real answer is the TNG just
> got it wrong.
>
That must be what I was thinking of....
>
>>>
>>> before becoming the new Romulan Praetor to exact his
>>>> revenge. Star Trek: Nemesis' subplot featured the discovery of B-4 (Brent
>>>
>>> It took Spiner almost 37 seconds to come up with the name of that
>>> character, but he did break for coffee in the middle of that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Spiner), an inferior Soong-type android built before Lt. Commander Data
>>>> (Brent Spiner).
>>>>
>>>> In theory, Star Trek: Nemesis' high-stakes cinematic action, with a
>>>> screenplay and story by Academy Award-nominated John Logan with Brent
Spiner,
>>>> was designed to draw casual moviegoers. Further, Star Trek: Nemesis'
themes
>>>> of identity and duality in its Picard and Data storylines were supposed to
>>>> create that cerebral Star Trek touch. In practice, Star Trek: Nemesis fell
>>>> apart by packing its 1 hour and 57 minute runtime with more style than
>>>> substance. Star Trek: Insurrection's lukewarm reception soured suits on
>>>> Jonathan Frakes taking the helm again, but franchise newcomer Stuart Baird
>>>> directed Nemesis like a Star Trek movie that was afraid to be Star Trek,
>>>> leaving Star Trek: The Next Generation's beloved ensemble rudderless and
>>>> inconsistent.
>>>>
>>>> Star Trek: Nemesis Ending Explained
>>>> Captain Picard And Lt. Commander Data Team Up To Destroy Shinzon
>>>> Star Trek: Nemesis ends with a face-off between the USS Enterprise-E and
>>>> Shinzon's massive starship, the Scimitar. Shinzon vowed to take revenge by
>>>> using deadly thalaron radiation to wipe out all life on Earth, which the
>>>> Enterprise must prevent at all costs. Romulan Commander Donatra (Dina
Meyer)
>>>> arrives to help the Enterprise, not Shinzon, citing "internal security".
>>>> While the Scimitar is distracted by Donatra's Warbirds, Counselor Deanna
Troi
>>>> (Marina Sirtis) empathically locates Shinzon's cloaked ship, and opens
fire.
>>>> The Enterprise is outgunned, however, and Remans board the ship to seize
what
>>>> Shinzon truly wants: Captain Picard.
>>>>
>>>> There have been thirteen Star Trek movies over the last 40 years, but
which
>>>> is the boldest big-screen adventure to go where no man has gone before?
>>>>
>>>> Rather than suffer more casualties, Picard yields to Reman capture,
>>>
>>> Because that’s what Picard does best. Surrender.
>>>
>>>
>>> while
>>>> Data crosses the space between the Enterprise and Scimitar's open hulls.
As
>>>> the thalaron emitter charges, Shinzon and Jean-Luc meet in single combat,
>>>> with Picard victoriously spearing Shinzon, who's consumed by his own
hubris.
>>>> Data places an emergency transport key on his captain and beams Picard
back
>>>> to the Enterprise, before Data destroys the thalaraon emitter, sacrificing
>>>> himself in the process. Data's memory is celebrated on the Enterprise-E,
and
>>>> Donatra promises Picard a friend in the Romulan Empire.
>>>>
>>>> Shinzon's determination to find and unleash the darkness in Picard's
heart is
>>>> his own downfall,
>>>>
>>>> At the end of Star Trek: Nemesis, Shinzon's determination to find and
unleash
>>>> the darkness in Picard's heart is his own downfall. Shinzon and Picard
share
>>>> DNA and a sense of justice for the downtrodden, but Shinzon insists that
>>>> Jean-Luc would be as megalomaniacal as Shinzon is had Picard also been
raised
>>>> in the darkness of the Reman mines. Picard's equally steadfast insistence
>>>> that Shinzon is capable of doing good only proves how alike they are,
instead
>>>> of supporting the movie's stated point that their backgrounds make them
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>>> At the end of Star Trek: Nemesis, Lieutenant Commander Data heroically
>>>> sacrifices himself to destroy Shinzon's thalaron emitter and save all
life on
>>>> Earth. Data's act of bravery ensures the Federation's survival, but
>>>> ultimately contributes to Star Trek: Nemesis' reputation as a franchise-
>>>> killer. Compared to Spock's (Leonard Nimoy) death in Star Trek II: The
Wrath
>>>> of Khan, Data's death rings hollow. Unlike The Wrath of Khan building to
>>>> Spock's sacrifice, Nemesis doesn't have a narrative throughline that
supports
>>>> Data's decision, and his replacement is already lined up in B-4.
>>>>
>>>> Datas death in Star Trek: Nemesis was supposed to provide the film with
an
>>>> emotional climax, but it was an unworthy end to a much beloved character.
>>>>
>>>> Brent Spiner co-wrote Star Trek: Nemesis' story with John Logan, creating
his
>>>> own graceful exit from Star Trek by killing off Data. As an android, Data
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