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   From: jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com   
      
   "Kweeg"  wrote in message   
   news:GJpkf.22878$ki.2263@pd7tw2no...   
   > "Rich Handley"  wrote in message   
   > news:mss3p1dhll4fuhp5gbrap1vlck4f296crg@4ax.com...   
   > > "Ken Maeda"  said:   
   > > >Whereas nearly all Trek fans will readily admit that ST I and V are   
   > > >utterly indefensible with no redeeming qualities whatsoever (well,   
   > > >unless you have a thing for Persis Khambatta).   
   > >   
   > > I happen to love the first Trek film.  Yes, it's badly directed in terms   
   > of   
   > > too much focus on effects, and yes, it's a rehash of the episode called   
   > > "The Changeling," but I think there's a LOT to like about that film.   
   >   
   > And ST5 had some of the best Kirk McCoy Spock moments and lines of the   
   whole   
   > franchise.   
   >   
      
   It's interesting how rapidly movies get divided into sheep and goats. I   
   loved TMP when I first saw it. These days, I can see the flaws- lack of   
   story, lack of action being the main ones. But it also has a sweeping   
   grandeur and feel for Starfleet as a massive organisation that's never been   
   equalled (compare the SF installations in TMP with, say, Starfleet HQ in   
   TNG's Conspiracy- which seems to be half a dozen blokes running things from   
   their front room (yes, I know, budgets, nonetheless...)). A better   
   comparison then- the lauded (but by me loathed) STIV- The Voyage To Feelgood   
   TV Movie Land. Starfleet is a couple of rooms and a bizarre debating chamber   
   with two rows of Statler and Waldorf impersonators doing noddies. No sense   
   of organisation or structure. Damned thing looks like a fan production by 12   
   year olds, who've got their dads to be in it. No sense at all of this   
   enormous political/military organisation (what the heck is it anyway? Is the   
   Federation really a benign military dictatorship? Why is that old priest-   
   ahem, president- doddling around there? Where is the political system? What   
   the feck is this? Shall I stop ranting?)   
      
   Anyway. TMP does it right in that regard. It's sad that vision was lost in   
   the subsequent movies (due to Meyer's unnecessary stamp on the big red reset   
   button at the start of TWOK).   
      
   And ST5 has its good moments too. I just wish somebody had excised the   
   rocket boots (very stupid idea, those), they'd spent more than 5 bucks on   
   "God" and Row Row Row Your Boat probably wasn't wise either.   
      
   Ian   
      
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