XPost: comp.os.linux.misc   
   From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 12/12/2025 13:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   > On 2025-12-12 06:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> On 12/11/25 18:42, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had   
   >>>>> with   
   >>>>> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I   
   >>>>> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes   
   >>>>> were   
   >>>>> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum   
   >>>>> servo-assist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission   
   >>>> cars   
   >>>> used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for braking   
   >>>> with   
   >>>> your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory   
   >>>> kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake   
   >>>> instead.   
   >>>   
   >>> I never drove an automatic car.   
   >>>   
   >>> I guess my left leg kicks differently than my right, because the   
   >>> pedals have different feeling, specially when the brake was not   
   >>> assisted and I had to push really hard (decades ago).   
   >>>   
   >>> Steering was also an exercise. No servo. Cars were lighter, though.   
   >>> Not over a ton.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>      Ah you are a European with sensible designers.  In the USA a car   
   >> that weighed   
   >> under a ton would be foreign made except for a few lightweights back   
   >> in the 1930s.   
   >>      I do not think a family sedan such as my parents used weighed   
   >> under 2 tons.   
   >> Of course that time was over 68 years ago.  And steering was real   
   >> exercise and   
   >> brakes were unassisted.   
   >   
   > My Renault Super 5 TL weighted 850 Kg (1874 pounds). A 42 horse engine   
   > (31KW). If memory serves. I could do 140Km/h on a flat.   
   >   
      
   I'm driving a Seat Ibiza as a courtesy car. 3 cylinder engine, 5 speed   
   manual, more bhp than my old British sports cars ever had (not sure, but   
   think 85) and 60+ miles to the (UK) gallon. Weight is about 1000kg. Will   
   exceed legal road speeds given a bit of time   
      
      
   You could probably fit two in the average US parking slot.   
   Of all the shitty European shopping trolleys, I always found Seat and   
   Skoda to be above average and not expensive.   
      
      
   Fiats fall to pieces.   
   VWs cost too much   
   Renault are just awful Worse then any British Leyland car ever was.   
   Peugeots rust.   
   Vauxhall/Opel are just plain boring.   
   Toyota think they are designing space ships, but they cant handle being   
   on terra firma at all.   
   Ford are pretty good these days.   
      
   None of these worth importing to the USA because of Big Beautiful Tariffs,.   
      
   --   
   “The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to   
   fill the world with fools.”   
      
   Herbert Spencer   
      
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