XPost: comp.os.linux.misc   
   From: bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com   
      
   On 12/12/25 05:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   > On 2025-12-12 06:49, Bobbie Sellers wrote:   
   >> On 12/11/25 18:42, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-12-11 22:28, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 11:11:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> The next car my father bought, a Peugeot 205, was the first we had   
   >>>>> with   
   >>>>> hydraulic clutch, same reservoir as the brakes. Bought maybe 1984. I   
   >>>>> remember the first time I drove it, my father warned me the brakes   
   >>>>> were   
   >>>>> brutal. Yet I was surprised by them, the car stopped brutally. Vacuum   
   >>>>> servo-assist.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't think they do it as much anymore but automatic transmission   
   >>>> cars   
   >>>> used to have very wide brake pedals, presumably to allow for braking   
   >>>> with   
   >>>> your left foot. Brutal was when your manual transmission muscle memory   
   >>>> kicked in, you attempted to hit the clutch pedal, and got the brake   
   >>>> instead.   
   >>>   
   >>> I never drove an automatic car.   
   >>>   
   >>> I guess my left leg kicks differently than my right, because the   
   >>> pedals have different feeling, specially when the brake was not   
   >>> assisted and I had to push really hard (decades ago).   
   >>>   
   >>> Steering was also an exercise. No servo. Cars were lighter, though.   
   >>> Not over a ton.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Ah you are a European with sensible designers.  In the USA a car that   
   >> weighed under a ton would be foreign made except for a few   
   >> lightweights back in the 1930s.   
   >  > I do not think a family sedan such as my parents used weighed under >   
   > 2 tons. Of course that time was over 68 years ago.  And steering was   
   >> real exercise and brakes were unassisted.   
   > Uff.   
   >   
   > Did they crash often, I wonder? Difficult to stop a 2 ton box of metal   
   > in time.   
   >   
      
   	We in the USA have many lighter cars now and we still have horrible   
   multicar accidents usually caused by going faster than safe in bad   
   conditions   
   which include road surfaces and visibility in heavy fogs or even storms.   
   We had accidents yesterday in the San Francisco Bay Area involving   
   cars driving too fast in fog.  On first responder saved his life by leaping   
   out of the way but they still hit his leg.   
      
   	In Sacramento, California in the years I was in HS 1951-1955 the   
   authorities parked heavily damaged cars on significant street corners to   
   show the people and young people especially how driving badly could   
   end.   
   	I don't know the current yearly death counts but not long ago   
   it was about the same as a medium war.   
      
   	Tomahawks for the Ukraine.   
      
   	bliss   
      
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