XPost: comp.os.linux.misc   
   From: bowman@montana.com   
      
   On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:38:21 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
      
   > On 2025-12-14 06:18, c186282 wrote:   
   >> On 12/13/25 15:06, rbowman wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:00:19 -0500, Paul wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Usually on a clear cut lot, there are lots and lots of "stumps" and   
   >>>> nobody gives a shit about those. That's why the field in that video   
   >>>> is suspiciously "too good to be true". As the years pass, the stumps   
   >>>> will rot and be digested like normal. It's just the stumps are a   
   >>>> hazard right after a clear cut session.   
   >>>   
   >>> In this area, make that 'many years'. We had a bad fire in 2003 that   
   >>> took some areas down to mineral soil. Long after the fire stumps were   
   >>> still burning out the underground root systems. 22 years later you   
   >>> still have to be careful off trail not to step in a pit. The areas   
   >>> were not replanted so there are very few trees.   
   >>   
   >>    This is what happened in California ... nobody was allowed to dig   
   >>    and put out the burning roots. Two weeks later and ........   
   >   
   > What happened?   
   >   
   >   
   >>    Layered bureaucracy in action.   
   >>   
   >>    Now the b-crats have brought rebuild permits to a virtual halt.   
   >>    Alas these tend to be rather wealthy people/donors ... there WILL   
   >>    be some serious consequences. Alas the 'crats themselves don't   
   >>    care, they're following the rules/protocols ...   
   >>   
   >>> The winter after the fire I went out snowshoeing and completely lost   
   >>> the trail that I had hiked often. You don't realize how much of a clue   
   >>> the brush along a trail is until there isn't any. There was also a   
   >>> small stretch with fairy slippers, a small orchid, that I liked as a   
   >>> sign of spring. The similar looking shooting stars have returned but   
   >>> not the fairy slippers. The corms have a relationship with soil fungus   
   >>> and that's all gone.   
   >>>   
   >>> The clear cuts here definitely don't look like a well prepared garden   
   >>> plot. The technique of leaving a few seed trees wasn't effective   
   >>> either. There's nothing left to shelter seedlings.   
   >>>   
   >>> The areas managed by the Forest Service have made out better. I've   
   >>> helped mark out a few timber sales. The trees to go are sprayed blue   
   >>> at breast height and the roots, the keepers orange. The lower paint is   
   >>> to keep people honest since you can tell what was cut from the stump.   
   >>> Often though the sale is never bid on since selective harvesting is   
   >>> more expensive.   
   >>   
   >>    I've seen many replant areas. Yes, trees grow - but the replanting   
   >>    puts them too close together. No sun gets to the ground, it's not a   
   >>    complete ecosystem.   
   >>    In the interim period there's a lot of soil erosion.   
   >>   
   >>   
   > Here they tried putting straw on the ground to reduce erosion.   
      
   Lot of straw...  The US tends to think in 260 ha units that goes back to   
   laying out land ownership in 'sections', 1 mile on a side. In this area   
   the forests are in mountainous areas with steep slopes. Typically the   
   company that clear cut the area grabbed the cash and ran. That also   
   applies to mining and other extractive industries. Privatize the profits,   
   socialize the costs.   
      
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