XPost: comp.os.linux.misc   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-12-14 21:02, rbowman wrote:   
   > On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 13:38:21 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2025-12-14 06:18, c186282 wrote:   
   >>> On 12/13/25 15:06, rbowman wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:00:19 -0500, Paul wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Usually on a clear cut lot, there are lots and lots of "stumps" and   
   >>>>> nobody gives a shit about those. That's why the field in that video   
   >>>>> is suspiciously "too good to be true". As the years pass, the stumps   
   >>>>> will rot and be digested like normal. It's just the stumps are a   
   >>>>> hazard right after a clear cut session.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> In this area, make that 'many years'. We had a bad fire in 2003 that   
   >>>> took some areas down to mineral soil. Long after the fire stumps were   
   >>>> still burning out the underground root systems. 22 years later you   
   >>>> still have to be careful off trail not to step in a pit. The areas   
   >>>> were not replanted so there are very few trees.   
   >>>   
   >>>     This is what happened in California ... nobody was allowed to dig   
   >>>     and put out the burning roots. Two weeks later and ........   
   >>   
   >> What happened?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>     Layered bureaucracy in action.   
   >>>   
   >>>     Now the b-crats have brought rebuild permits to a virtual halt.   
   >>>     Alas these tend to be rather wealthy people/donors ... there WILL   
   >>>     be some serious consequences. Alas the 'crats themselves don't   
   >>>     care, they're following the rules/protocols ...   
   >>>   
   >>>> The winter after the fire I went out snowshoeing and completely lost   
   >>>> the trail that I had hiked often. You don't realize how much of a clue   
   >>>> the brush along a trail is until there isn't any. There was also a   
   >>>> small stretch with fairy slippers, a small orchid, that I liked as a   
   >>>> sign of spring. The similar looking shooting stars have returned but   
   >>>> not the fairy slippers. The corms have a relationship with soil fungus   
   >>>> and that's all gone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The clear cuts here definitely don't look like a well prepared garden   
   >>>> plot. The technique of leaving a few seed trees wasn't effective   
   >>>> either. There's nothing left to shelter seedlings.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The areas managed by the Forest Service have made out better. I've   
   >>>> helped mark out a few timber sales. The trees to go are sprayed blue   
   >>>> at breast height and the roots, the keepers orange. The lower paint is   
   >>>> to keep people honest since you can tell what was cut from the stump.   
   >>>> Often though the sale is never bid on since selective harvesting is   
   >>>> more expensive.   
   >>>   
   >>>     I've seen many replant areas. Yes, trees grow - but the replanting   
   >>>     puts them too close together. No sun gets to the ground, it's not a   
   >>>     complete ecosystem.   
   >>>     In the interim period there's a lot of soil erosion.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >> Here they tried putting straw on the ground to reduce erosion.   
   >   
   > Lot of straw...  The US tends to think in 260 ha units that goes back to   
   > laying out land ownership in 'sections', 1 mile on a side. In this area   
   > the forests are in mountainous areas with steep slopes. Typically the   
   > company that clear cut the area grabbed the cash and ran. That also   
   > applies to mining and other extractive industries. Privatize the profits,   
   > socialize the costs.   
      
   Oh, I forgot. This was after this summer devastating fires. I saw it on   
   TV, and probably they were volunteers.   
      
   --   
   Cheers, Carlos.   
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