From: lars@beagle-ears.com   
      
   On 16/12/2025 20:49, Fokke Nauta wrote:   
   >>>>> I did not remove the AV program (BitDefender Antivirus Plus), but   
   >>>>> cancelled it's working. It had no results.   
      
   On 17/12/2025 20:36, dillinger wrote:   
   >>>> Try removing it completely, if necessary with Bitdefenders removal tool.   
      
   Op 18/12/2025 om 17:30 schreef Fokke Nauta:   
   >>> I cancelled the security of BitDefender. So it didn't work anymore.   
      
   > On 19/12/2025 06:05, dillinger wrote:   
   >> I doubt that will change anything, the problem is the proxy, not the   
   >> scanner.   
   >> Real-time security requires everything to be rerouted through your   
   >> scanner, just disabling the scanning doesn't stop that, the proxy stays   
   >> in effect until you remove it.   
   >> Remove it completely, the built-in av is just as good these days.   
      
      
   On 2025-12-19, Fokke Nauta  wrote:   
   > Proxy?   
   > Scanner?   
      
   Let's zoom out a bit:   
      
   A security package for an Internet-connected operating system consists   
   of a number of co-operating parts, each of which subverts the normal   
   functions of the operating system in some way.   
      
   - the most obvious part is the file scanner, which gets activated in   
     a number of ways:   
     - the most obvious and visible, is that it can do a spider crawl   
       of your file system (similar to what a backup package or an   
       indexing package does). This can be done in several modes:   
       - a full system scan, where it opens each file on the system and   
         uses its knowledge base of what is "bad" to try to recognize   
         known attack vectors.   
       - an incremental scan, where it remembers the last time the scan   
         was deemed complete (at the end of the scan, the "last completed"   
         time stamp is updated to the start time of that scan).   
       - a check of a single file, invoked by a hook implanted in the   
         email system   
       - a check of a single file invoked by a hook in the file   
         system when a program opens the file.   
   - another significant part is a proxy module, which is invoked   
     from the "open TCP connection" function in the network part of the   
     operating system. This is intended to prevent you from connecting   
     to an evil network host or to prevent you from responding to   
     incoming connections from evil hosts. This is a main component   
     of what is often called the firewall.   
      
   "dillinger" is right: If you are not clear on this terminology,   
   it will be very hard to help you.   
      
   --   
   Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California   
      
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