From: V@nguard.LH   
      
   Java Jive  wrote:   
      
   > VanguardLH wrote:   
   >   
   >> Windows 11 Pro   
   >>   
   >> Sometimes when I pin a program or shortcut to the Start Menu, it is not   
   >> visible.  Right-clicking on the file or shortcut shows "Unpin from   
   >> Start", so Win11 thinks the item had been pinned to the Start Menu, but   
   >> the professed pinned item is not visible.   
   >   
   > At least twice, I think perhaps three times, when creating my W11 builds   
   > I had problems with the Start Menu suddenly losing its icons.  The   
   > shortcuts were there, as evidenced by the labels being visible, but   
   > their icons were missing.  I never found a reason for this, let alone a   
   > cure, and on each occasion had to revert to my last good backup of the   
   > build and start that phase of the build again.  Damned waste of time.   
   >   
   > As Paul has said, the icon-style Start Menu in recent versions of   
   > Windows is somewhat clunky and has a number of problems that the   
   > traditional text-style menus did not have.   
      
   I miss the toolbars in the Taskbar that Windows 10 had, and before.   
   Although a poor substitute, I found I could create groups in the Pinned   
   section of the Start Menu to group related programs, like I did with the   
   taskbar toolbars.  Alas, I'm finding items that I pin to the Start Menu   
   are not visible.  When I right-click on the item again, it says Unpin   
   from Start Menu, so Windows thinks it got pinned, but it's invisible.   
      
   Sometimes when trying to create a pinned group by dragging one pinned   
   icon atop another, it's like playing that cat-n-mouse game where   
   something moves when you try to hover the mouse cursor over it.  Windows   
   11 thinks I'm trying to reposition a pinned icon instead of creating a   
   group when dragging a pinned icon atop another pinned icon.  Plus,   
   that's the deepest layering I can do with pinned icons.  Just 1 layer   
   with a group, and no subgroups within a group, like hierarchical   
   layering.   
      
   Might have to go with Start11.  I was hoping not having to throw   
   3rd-party software to regain features lost in Windows 11, but looks like   
   Microsoft isn't moving their lardy butt on improving the Start Menu.   
   Besides letting me pin anything to a cascading folder on the taskbar, it   
   gives me a better Start Menu layout.  However, Stardock really should   
   indicate those settings within Start11 which are already settings within   
   Windows 11, but they rolled into Start11.  I dislike when devs pretend   
   something they added to a program was their invention.   
      
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