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From: mariasophia@comprehension.com
R.Wieser wrote:
>> You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have emailed
>> the moderator directly
>
> Why ?
>
> Why would the moderator want to receive - and put into a newsgroup - a post
> which you could not read the responses to ?
Hi Rudy,
You know what I like about you? It's you ask questions about concepts that
I hadn't even thought of for a single moment, since I run a tight ship.
Given I care about privacy, I never use the same newsserver to read from as
I do to write to, so any given newsgroup could be on one but not the other.
But if you hadn't asked that question, I wouldn't have even thought to tell
people this since I do a billion things for privacy by design like that.
>> Paganini *does* carry misc.taxes.moderated
>
> Oh goodie. Now all you have to do is to post in that newsgroup and see if
> you get permission from the moderator. That is how it works.
Marco Moock already kindly tested it and said he didn't see it in his
searches. (See his post reproduced below since it only went to n.s.r).
>> How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for moderation?
>
> :-) I suggest you first try to determine if such a NORMAL newsreader does
> indeed offer such a fall-back (it doesn't). *and only it does* try to figure
> out how its implemented..
See above. Marco Moock already disabused me of that assumption of how a
normal newsreader handles moderated newsgroups whose nntp server doesn't
forward the articles.
> It sounds to me that you have absolutily *zero* idea how a moderated
> newsgroup works...
This is true and I said so. Since I don't post to moderated newsgroups, the
first time I needed to post was today when I was summarizing the two dozen
known methods for USA citizens to file taxes in the USA this year where all
the normal Intuit personal methods require you to purchase a new PC if you
don't have Windows 10 yet their business software works on Win10.
It was something I spent hours writing up and then it took me by surprise
that my privacy-based newsserver of choice (blueworld) post failed.
When I debugged what happened, I realized that a normal newsreader "might"
have handled moderation differently, where there appear to be 2 paths:
1. The newsreader handles the email itself, or,
2. The newsserver handles the email itself.
Thanks for recognizing that I am indeed clueless how this process works.
Had I known how it works, I would have written up a tutorial instead since
I'm a rare breed of person who delights in edifying everyone around me.
Below, for continuity, and to help answer your concerns, is Marco's
message.
From: Marco Moock
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: The perils of writing your own newsreader - the perils of
posting to moderated newsgroups
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 21:24:30 +0100
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On 29.01.2026 14:06 Uhr Maria Sophia wrote:
> If Blueworld did carry misc.taxes.moderated then it would have
> forwarded moderated posts to misc-taxes-moderated@moderators.isc.org
> but since the low-activity moderated tax group is not carried, this
> rule never applies.
>
> You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have
> emailed the moderator directly which requires connecting to a working
> MAPI mail client, which my homegrown newsreader never thought it
> would need to do.
It is common that the servers carry the groups and you post your
message using NNTP to the group. The server then creates the mail and
doesn't add the post to the local spool nor distributes it to the peers.
> Conclusion on the perils of writing your own home-grown newsreader...
> a. The failure wasn't Blueworld's fault as it simply doesn't carry
> misc.taxes.moderated, so there was no NNTP path for my post.
In such a case you should get a "No such group" or similar NNTP error
message.
> b. A more full-featured newsreader would likely have fallen back to
> sending the article via email to the moderator, but my home-grown
> setup doesn't communicate with a local mail client, so that path
> wasn't available.
>
> c. Luckily, the next server I randomly tested (paganini.bofh.team)
> *does* carry misc.taxes.moderated & handles the forwarding to the
> moderator via email automatically, so the post appears to have gone
> through.
That process is the default, as the moderated groups use this general
domain (and used moderators.uu.net before that, but still active).
> I'll know in a couple of days if that post went through though, but I
> figured I'd write up this one lesson in the perils of writing a
> newsreader.
I've checked my mod relay (2 others exist), but I cannot see that
message. I assume one of the others were used, so in case it doesn't
work, ask Ivo to which one the message was relayed.
> Have any of the readers who see this written their own newsreader?
> How did you handle sending to moderated newsgroups with email
> fallback?
>
> How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for
> moderation?
I've never seen such a functionality in the wild. The normal process is
to use NNTP to post - if that fails an error message will be shown.
--
kind regards
Marco
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