XPost: alt.free.newsservers, news.software.readers   
   From: mariasophia@comprehension.com   
      
   Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   > On 2026-01-30 23:27, Mike Easter wrote:   
   >> Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >>>  From the user side, how did it work?   
   >>>   
   >>> For example, when posting, Thunderbird would automatically send an   
   >>> email to the moderator list, and would find out this address   
   >>> automatically?   
   >>   
   >> Not exactly.   
   >>   
   >> Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news   
   >> server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it   
   >> to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is   
   >> configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.   
   >   
   > Ah. That makes more sense. Transparent, from the client point of view.   
   >   
   > Although it means that all the news servers in the world have to be   
   > configured to do this.   
   >   
   > Or perhaps not configured servers can simply refuse to post to moderated   
   > groups.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The ng's moderators of record have their 'own' system of handling the   
   >> msg. Theoretically it could be handled by human eyeballs and hands, but   
   >> more like the mod mail has some auto-handling of its own.   
   >>   
   >> If the msg is 'ok' then it gets posted to the group via having an   
   >> appropriate header prepended.   
   >   
   > Right.   
      
   Thanks for all the help where I think I was wrong when I assumed that the   
   newsreader could email the moderators directly, but I'm not fully sure.   
      
   On my end, my home-grown newsreader simply failed because it was not a case   
   of NNTP rejecting the post but simply that Jesse's server did not carry the   
   group    
      
   Testing what failed in my home-grown newsreader, Blueworld does return a   
   normal 200 greeting and accepts MODE READER, but when I issue:   
      
       LIST ACTIVE misc.taxes.moderated   
      
   Jesse's server returns an empty list.   
   In other words, the moderated group is not carried at all.   
      
   Since that moderated group does not exist on that server, there is no "m"   
   flag and no submission template to trigger the moderator-forwarding   
   mechanism. My home-grown reader therefore sent the POST command normally,   
   and the server rejected it immediately because the group was not in its   
   active file. That is why I did not get a "No such group" error until after   
   attempting to post.   
      
   Ivo Gandolfo's Paganini, on the other hand, does carry that newsgroup.   
      
       misc.taxes.moderated 0000061574 0000002149 m   
      
   and because it has the wildcard rule:   
      
       *:%s@moderators.isc.org   
      
   it automatically expands the group name and forwards the article to:   
      
       misc-taxes-moderated@moderators.isc.org   
      
   So the difference was not NNTP vs email fallback inside my reader. It was   
   simply that Ivo's server carried the moderated group and Jesse's did not.   
      
   Once I posted to a server that actually carried the group, I believe the   
   standard moderation-forwarding path works on the nntp server side.   
      
   I haven't yet tested Wolfgang's (Ray Banana) free server, nor Steve Crook's   
   free server, nor Alex de Joode's free server, etc. as 2 tests were enough.   
      
   But it seems, in summary, that the news server handles how the moderation   
   email gets written, and the user remains blissfully unaware of the steps.   
      
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