XPost: alt.comp.software.thunderbird, news.software.readers   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2026/1/31 18:2:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:   
      
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   > In olden days, every News server had to maintain a list of submission   
   > addresses in a moderators file. It was recognized that these addresses   
      
   OK, so the default is that news clients (for the users using them) send   
   posts to moderated 'groups to the normal server rather than direct to   
   the moderator(s). I did not know that. (Also see below.)   
      
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   >> If the _client_ does it - which would seem a more efficient way, after   
   >> all why involve the newsserver if that can be avoided - then the list of   
   >> newsgroups must contain a flag for the ones that are moderated, so that   
   >> the client knows to treat posts to it differently. (Posts _in_ it - i.   
   >> e. from other posters, that have already been passed by the moderator[s]   
   >> - can be treated the same as those in any other 'group.)   
   >    
   > You are speaking of treating a submission address like the submission   
   > address of a moderated mailing list. It can certainly be done by an   
   > email client.   
   >    
   > It's impossible for the newsreader to submit it because the newsreader   
   > isn't an email client.   
      
   Good point, which I hadn't thought of. (I've always used combined   
   software - either one that does both like Turnpike or Thunderbird, or [I   
   think - long ago!] a suite that combined them, like modified KA9Q.)   
      
    If it's done with a client that's combined of a   
   > newsreader and email client, like Thunderbird or alpine, then it's not   
   > using the newsreader to submit the proto article.   
      
   That makes sense.   
      
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   > Also, the Message-ID string on the References header could be lost as   
   > it's used for a different purpose in email. Note that the use of   
   > References in lieu of In-Reply-To that makes threading possible was a   
   > misunderstanding of the differences between the two headers in the early   
   > days of Usenet when Mail message format was adapted for News.   
      
   A wrinkle of which I was unaware. Thank you.   
      
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   > I don't agree with your notion of submitting directly to the submission   
   > address in the newsreader. I see drawbacks but no advantages.   
      
   You have convinced me - although not _no_ advantages: if it were done   
   properly, it'd reduce the load on the newsserver - since the message (I   
   was going to say "post", but it's arguably not a post at that point) has   
   to go to the moderator before it is actually posted for all to see, it'd   
   skip one hop, as it were. But you've convinced me that it's in many   
   (most?) cases "better" if it does go by the complicated route.   
      
   (There are also Arlen's concerns about what happens if a moderated   
   'group has a requirement that the moderator knows the poster's real   
   address [so e. g. clarification can be sought], but the poster wants the   
   post only to contain an obfuscated address.)   
   >    
   > Also note that the shared format was because interserver communication   
   > with long distance telephone charges via modems was hideously expensive   
   > and it allowed shared messages to be sent as a single News article, then   
   > a local mailing list allowed it to be delivered to mailboxes.   
      
   Makes sense.   
      
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