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|    =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=? to Ed Cryer    |
|    Re: System crash and lock-out (1/2)    |
|    03 Feb 26 10:38:29    |
      From: winstonmvp@gmail.com              Ed Cryer wrote on 2/3/2026 9:41 AM:       > Paul wrote:       >> On Tue, 2/3/2026 6:52 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:       >>> Ed Cryer wrote:       >>>> Paul wrote:       >>>>> On Mon, 2/2/2026 1:30 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:       >>>>>> Some recent update has crashed one of my Windows 11 systems. I got       >>>>>> it fully updated to 30.01.26. Firstly Explorer stopped working; and       >>>>>> then the whole system crashed and wouldn't load. I couldn't even       >>>>>> carry out a Repair with a Win11 disc.       >>>>>> I rescued the thing with a Macrium Reflect disc, but the problem       >>>>>> was there on my latest backup. And so I had to restore to an       >>>>>> earlier time, wherein I've paused updates for 5 weeks.       >>>>>>       >>>>>> It's working fine now, but I'd rather have updates working and be       >>>>>> up to date.       >>>>>> Could it have been 242H?       >>>>>>       >>>>>> What would you experts do in this situation?       >>>>>>       >>>>>> Ed       >>>>>>       >>>>>>       >>>>>       >>>>> Normally, one of the stop codes is "Inaccessible Boot Volume".       >>>>>       >>>>> This one reports "Could not mount Boot Volume" which is a different       >>>>> error, and there is no Stop Code number on the screen, making       >>>>> further research rather difficult.       >>>>>       >>>>> Most of the feedback so far on the web, is whining and not useful       >>>>> responses for users such as yourself.       >>>>>       >>>>> The current response from Microsoft, indicates that the December update       >>>>> is what set up the failure chain, and the January update is simply       >>>>> harvesting whatever time bomb December managed to inject.       >>>>>       >>>>> *******       >>>>>       >>>>> I have been known to do a side-by-side install on computers.       >>>>>       >>>>> +-----+-----------+-----------------+----------------+       >>>>> | MBR | ESP FAT32 | Win11 24H2 | Win11 24H2        |       >>>>> +-----+-----------+-----------------+----------------+       >>>>>       >>>>> Do that installation with the network cable disconnected, punch the       >>>>> button to delay updates as you see fit.       >>>>>       >>>>> There's no guarantee this will work, but it does leave       >>>>> the install on the left, frozen. Whether any materials       >>>>> in the ESP (system partition, what the OS uses to boot)       >>>>> are sane, who can say, and the side-by-side install       >>>>> may choose to not edit the ESP at all. You may still       >>>>> need to boot from the DVD and use the troubleshooting       >>>>> command prompt, while you rebuild the BCD file.       >>>>>       >>>>> But do I have some fancy step-by-step procedure for this particular       >>>>> mess ?       >>>>> Not really. You could say "not expert enough" or something.       >>>>> But, I can tell you, that I WOULD have something to turn       >>>>> this back into a computer, quicker than you can blink. I can       >>>>> reach across the room, there are at least half a dozen SSDs       >>>>> that will boot this computer right now. I can pour a coffee       >>>>> and go back to web surfing, just like that. That's not bragging.       >>>>> That's a WARNING TO MICROSOFT HOW QUICK THE TRANSITION IS!!!       >>>>> I can be a Windows Free Shop in 3...2...1... Done.       >>>>>       >>>>> Paul       >>>>>       >>>>       >>>> This is the screen I got;       >>>> https://i.sstatic.net/b5T4o.jpg       >>>> If people are whining about being put in a similar position, then I       >>>> sympathise with them. Neither F1 nor F8 worked.       >>>>       >>>> Has your web feedback indicated that MS are going to repair the error       >>>> soon? I don't mind waiting a while until they do so.       >>>>       >>>> The computer involved is a little Geekom mini. And now that it's       >>>> running again it passes all the usual tests; DISM, sfc and a full       >>>> 5-item checkdisk.       >>>>       >>>> Ed       >>>>       >>>       >>> Copilot tells me that the likely culprit is KB5074109; and that MS has       >>> ongoing problems and is investigating. A fix has not yet been released.       >>> In the meantime he (it or she or they (How the dickens does one       >>> address an AI bot?)) recommends the solution I've applied; restore and       >>> pause updates.       >>> Alternatively, you can update and then uninstall that KB, and then       >>> pause updates.       >>>       >>> Ed       >>       >> You have to be careful with the LLM-AI (large language model - not       >> really artificial intelligence).       >>       >> When you phrase a question, you have to give it a minimum of information.       >>       >> Now that I've written a sample solution in the other post,       >> let's ask the AI for its opinion.       >>       >> "My Win11 Home computer will not boot and shows error c000000f as       >> the reason.       >> What do you recommend as a method to fix this ?       >> "       >>       >> Part of the CoPilot answer is, to use the Command Prompt from the       >> installer DVD       >> in the Troubleshooting section, and issue       >>       >> bootrec /fixmbr       >> bootrec /fixboot       >> bootrec /scanos       >> bootrec /rebuildbcd       >>       >> In my case, I erased the BCD file that those commands would "repair"       >> and did this instead. I wanted a fresh clean BCD made from scratch.       >> A scratch cake.       >>       >> bcdboot C:\Windows /s W: # There is a procedure to assign       >> letter W: to the ESP partition...       >> # This       can also refill the ESP       >> partition with files! Technically,       >> # this       command adds partition C: as       >> an OS tile in the boot menu.       >> # But       we're pretending this is a       >> brand new OS, with no files at all.       >>       >> We're focused on the same sort of root cause, that the BCD       >> boot menu file (a registry-type file so it is binary), is       >> the cause of the problem. This is not the same as the "cannot mount       >> something"       >> error others are seeing. Yours is not the "January 2026 problem".       >>       >> If you feed the AI too much information, instead of correcting you,       >> it sometimes just melds your text right into the answer. That is why       >> we try not to give it too much text to be doing that.       >>       >> The hard part, when crafting questions, is giving enough "hints" to       >> constrain the question, without giving so much text it just cheats       >> and feeds your text right back at you. That's bad.       >>       >> If I copied "War and Peace" into the question window, it would write       >> a condensed version of "War and Peace" into the answer section :-)       >> But War and Peace would be too many input tokens, so the process       >> would bomb out on a timeout. There are limits to how long your question       >> can be. Including feeding it program source and asking for comments.       >> If you give it the *URL* of a github source file, it can and will read       >> that.       >>              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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