XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2026/3/6 4:27:10, Paul wrote:   
   > On Thu, 3/5/2026 10:15 PM, Alan K. wrote:   
   >> On 3/5/26 7:01 PM, Paul wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 3/5/2026 6:24 PM, Alan K. wrote:   
   >>>> On 3/5/26 6:30 PM, Jack wrote:   
   >>>>> Windows Secure Boot is EXPIRING: Do This Before June 2026!   
   []   
   >>>>> This only applies to UEFI boot. On Windows 10 this was not necessary but   
   >>>>> for Windows 11 this is now mandatory. Whether Microsoft updates this   
      
   Is there a way to tell from a running W10 setup (i. e. without having to   
   do a reboot and watch for things flashing by) whether you have UEFI or   
   legacy boot? (And, if UEFI, whether you have "Secure Boot enabled"   
   [thanks VLH]?)   
   []   
   >>>> This is so old it's pathetic.  2023.  I would sure hope that some   
   standard    
      
   Has that happened (i. e. do we not need to worry anyway)?   
      
   MS patch came down the line.   It would be a pity if millions of windows   
   11 users got hung out to dry.   
   >>>>   
   Though I'd admit to a certain Schadenfreude!   
   []   
   >>> As for the proposition, Microsoft is concern-trolling us again,   
   >>> just like the WinRE problem they would not fix for themselves.   
   >>> I am "less excited" this time, at the prospect of messing   
   >>> around with my stuff.   
      
   Yes. Yet again.   
   >>>   
   >>>     Paul   
   >> Paul, for those of us who are unaware of how, can you pass on your   
   expertise on how to grab those four files and replace them later.  As much as   
   I'm not sure I'll need it but there's nothing like being ready anyway.   
   >>   
   >    
   > I didn't realize, that there is an interface at BIOS level, where   
   > you can back up the MOK, db, dbx and the other one, and the BIOS   
   > interface tells you to "plug in a USB stick". Usually, BIOS   
      
   If this becomes necessary, does it screw up anything already on the stick?   
   []   
   > Why should customers have to fuck around with this stuff ?   
   > This makes no sense to me. I like a challenge, but this   
   > is turning into just "more of the same", and I am less   
   > game to be treated like a trained puppy.   
      
   Definitely. More of the killing off old hardware just for the sake of   
   it. (In the name of "security", no doubt, and antipiracy.)   
   []   
   > boot. And again, we don't want to be put into a position   
   > where the function of the machine is compromised in any way.   
   >    
   > *******   
   >    
   > In legacy BIOS era, how many concerns would I have ? I would   
   > enable my disks, and the booting was a simple handoff from   
   > legacy BIOS, to whatever I had attached to the computer.   
   > I had complete freedom to use my computer the way I wanted   
   > to.   
   >    
   > What do we have today ? Hmmm.   
   >    
   > I've warned people in previous years, that there was a   
   > plan afoot to remove legacy (CSM) boot from BIOS soon   
   > (by Intel). And that is likely to be the case for   
   > equipment purchased now. What I don't know, is whether   
   > Secure Boot in UEFI mode, can be switched on and off   
   > as desired or not. Or for that matter, whether any amount   
   > of modifications are to be expected to the UEFI four file   
   > backup thing. The signed Linux shim, is supposed to use   
   > PCA 2023 as part of its root. And in principle, we still   
   > have the ability to boot other things. I don't know   
   > if any FreeBSD-like OSes are included in this or not.   
   >    
   > But with UEFI-only machines this year, a percentage   
   > of my DVD collection would no longer boot. Some of my   
   > legacy collection, will boot if you enter "noacpi"   
   > as an option. With the price of hardware though, I   
   > doubt I will be buying any more gear, any time soon.   
      
   Me neither - and nothing (well, not a lot) to do with the cost of hardware.   
   >    
   >    Paul   
      
   John   
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