XPost: alt.autos.dodge.trucks, alt.trucks.ford, alt.trucks.chevy   
      
   In article , "SC Tom"  wrote:   
   >   
   >"Roy"  wrote in message news:gfedun0dkp@news2.newsguy.com...   
   >>   
   >> "scrape"  wrote in message   
   >> news:tlskh45p8ftvdt5d16bbv0l6l5g8q6f86i@4ax.com...   
   >>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:24:11 -0500, "Roy"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>"HLS"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:ormSk.4735$hc1.2726@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Rowbotth"  wrote in message news:rowbotth-   
   >>>>>> The point being that they are paying for the stuff.  You are not being   
   >>>>>> asked to finance their vice; they get to pay more for vehicle   
   >>>>>> registration, tires and a new vehicle when they put down the dollars   
   >>>>>> to   
   >>>>>> buy the thing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Actually, we ARE being asked to pay for their stuff, via the bailouts   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> government   
   >>>>> grants in the billions that Ford and GM have already obtained.. And GM   
   >>>>> had   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>> cojones to ask for $12 billion more...um, that would be $60 from every   
   >>>>> man,   
   >>>>> woman and fetus in the USA.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Well , if they were not bailed out we'd be paying it in unemployemment   
   >>>>welfare as well as lose of tax's. Figure over 1 1/2 Million jobs if GM   
   >>>>goes   
   >>>>down the tubes. Granted only a few hundred thou. work for GM but the   
   >>>>related   
   >>>>workforce........   
   >>>   
   >>> The UAW killed them.  Let the UAW bail them out.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Your kidding right? Here's a hint. Big expensive car's that use a lot of   
   >> fuel. Coupled to a economy that is on it's ass. It's all connected.   
   >>   
   >   
   >You're both right. Way back when (late 60's, early 70's), I worked at the   
   >Wayne assembly plant in Michigan. Whenever we got a contract raise (say 4%),   
   >all the prices of everything else around Detroit would go up 3.5%. When we   
   >got our COLA every year, prices would go up accordingly. It was a   
   >never-ending vicious cycle. So in order to support the union wages, the   
   >retail price of the cars would go up. Couple that with the gas crunch of the   
   >70's, and then again recently, and costs just sky-rocket without everyone   
   >having the means to pay for it all. I was making more per hour at a   
   >menial-labor union job in Michigan in 1971 than I did at a non-union   
   >managerial job at a large retail chain in 1990. Hard to get ahead or break   
   >even that way.   
   >   
   >SC Tom   
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   >   
   and 70's buckeroonies went farther.   
   remeber $40 z's?   
      
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