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   SMS to Ray O   
   Re: Performance Brake Pads and Rotors fo   
   23 Sep 09 22:42:39   
   
   XPost: alt.autos.toyota   
   From: scharf.steven@geemail.com   
      
   Ray O wrote:   
   > "Jeff Strickland"  wrote in message   
   > news:h9duqo$lrr$2@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >> I'm confused.   
   >>   
   >> Once the rotors warp, they remain warped until they are machined or   
   >> replaced. Warping is not a transient condition where the experience is on   
   >> a mountain road but not on other roads. And, braking on a mountain road   
   >> should be lighter and more evenly applied on a mountain road than in other   
   >> places. The brakes might be used more often, but the braking ought not be   
   >> "harder". It you are driving into a turn and mashing the brakes, your   
   >> passengers are probably on the verge of puking.   
   >>   
   >> Having said that, slots and crossdrilling are done to help extract heat.   
   >   
   > Not quite.  The slots and cross drilling on the rotors allow the gases that   
   > the pads generate when heated to escape more easily.  If the gas can't be   
   > cleared from between the pad and rotor quickly enough, the effect is kind of   
   > like an air hockey table, reducing the contact between the pad and rotor and   
   > creating brake fade.  The slots in some pads serve the same purpose.   
      
   Obviously I can't see what's happening, but it feels like the brakes   
   chattering against the rotors. I never notice it in normal freeway   
   driving where the brakes are lightly used, but coming down a steep grade   
   (like Old Priest Grade road near Yosemite) where the grade is up to 14%   
   and engine braking isn't sufficient, I feel it.   
      
   Supposedly this is referred to as disc thickness variation. "As the   
   rotor gets hot, it is much more likely to increase thickness variation,   
   thus increasing pedal pulsations as well as steering wheel and other   
   vehicle vibrations." Of course I read this on a web site that also   
   promotes Amsoil, so I don't know how true it is.   
      
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