From: mfj1952deletethis@cox.net   
      
   Susan wrote:   
   > On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:36:10 -0700, Jeff  wrote:   
   >   
   >> I just reread you original post.  I believe I found a clue, "Alarm   
   >> system is off as it should be..."   
   >> "...ALARM SYSTEM..."!!!   
   >>   
   >> Aftermarket, of course, with "Starter Disable"!   
   >> I would advise to tear it out.   
   >   
   > and...   
   >   
   > On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:25:51 -0600, Oldphart   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> I vote for the alarm also.  1993 toyota 4wd had the batter go dead,   
   >> changed it and had to reset the Audiovox alarm with the keyfob and the   
   >> pushbutton switch.  In my case, taking it to an alarm store to have them   
   >> reset the system was costly so I let my son take it to school and the   
   >> teenage nerds in his shop class set things right.  I vote to energize   
   >> the alarm also.  It probably defaults to an Open Circuit when power is   
   >> cut disabling the starter as part of the antitheft feature.   
   >   
   > Okay. I'm all for it being the alarm's fault, but I'm not so sure.   
   > Here's a little background and you can tell me if you still think it's   
   > the alarm:   
   >   
   > First, this truck only had 2 owners before me, and the original guy   
   > who purchased it new had everything put it in at the time of purchase   
   > that was state of the art, at that time. This included a mobile phone   
   > with antenna on the back window, wired to the dash... this was in   
   > 1991, mind you, when mobile phones were gigantic and rare. He had the   
   > alarm system installed too, (if it did not come as an option), but he   
   > did everything top of the line and the alarm has been in it from day   
   > one. (This truck has power locks, and when I press the keyfob to lock   
   > the truck, the alarm automatically engages.)   
   >   
   > Now comes the part that might change your mind. :) I have owned the   
   > truck since 2001, and during this time I have disconnected the battery   
   > many times. A few times to change batteries, other times when I was   
   > working on the truck and needed to disconnect the battery to do what I   
   > was doing. Whenever I have disconnected the battery, the alarm   
   > triggers as I am loosening the terminals (safety thing), then again as   
   > I am reconnecting it (same deal). I DREAD having to disconnect the   
   > battery for that reason.... the alarm is so darn loud. But the point   
   > is, it has never given me a problem afterwards. The truck has always   
   > started right up.   
   >   
   > Also, when I parked the truck last (last time I drove it, when   
   > everything was peachy), I parked it in my backyard, so I did not lock   
   > it. Meaning the alarm was not engaged. Now weeks later, I walk out and   
   > go to start it, and ... nothing. AND the battery did not die during   
   > this period or even get weak b/c a solar panel was keeping it charged.   
   >   
   > Nevertheless, when the truck would not start I wondered about the   
   > alarm system just because I was trying to cover everything it might   
   > be, so I threw the alarm's toggle switch and tried starting, but it   
   > didn't make a diff. I put the toggle back. I also sat inside the truck   
   > and put the alarm on, then took it off, and tried again.   
   >   
   > So, I do not want to 'tear out the alarm' if it isn't the problem, as   
   > it's a good alarm and has never caused me problems. And I have never   
   > had to "reset it" after losing power.... but I guess it could have a   
   > "state" I don't know about, though after 9 years of owning this truck   
   > that would be a little surprising!   
   >   
   > Do you guys still think it's the alarm, or does that scenario seem   
   > less likely now?  (I really wish I could have elminated some things   
   > today, but was helping my folks all day.)   
   I wish I could say one way or another that the alarm has nothing to   
   do with it, but if the lights come on, the horn works, the radio plays,   
   and all of those things stay on, then there is something that is   
   preventing power from going to the starter solenoid.  The one thing I do   
   know on a good alarm system is they have a small capacitor or battery   
   backup that keeps the settings on the alarm system.  Mine is a cheaper   
   version of an Audiovox alarm system.  When I disconnected the battery   
   on my truck, every time I went to lock the doors with the keyfob, the   
   alarm would go off and not stop till I put the key in the switch.   
   I was going to rip my alarm out for that same reason till I found out   
   that whomever it was that installed it, put the break in the wires to   
   the starter solenoid someplace that was not easy for me to see, let   
   be able to access.   
   I did not have a book for the alarm system for my truck and I identified   
   my alarm by going to Audiovox and created a free account.  From there, I   
   chose a picture of the keyfob that came with my alarm and printed the   
   documents that were needed to reset the alarm back to original install.   
   As a matter of fact, I let my son take it to his shop class, and those   
   kids, who were smarter than I, did the reprogramming in a matter of   
   minutes.   
   If you can find the relay that is engergized by turning the key to the   
   "start" position, that would be a big start.   
   I have a wiring diagram for a 1993 toyota pickup 4wd ex cab which most   
   likely will be very similar to yours.  I would be glad to send a copy   
   if you would like.  Simple trouble shooting can start there and then   
   follow the trail of power till you lose it.  Most likely, there is a   
   relay somewhere that is not energizing.   
      
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