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   From: susan@rooftop.com   
      
   On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Handyman    
   wrote:   
      
   >  The starter is located on the passenger side of the engine just in   
   >front of the bell housing for the transmission.  You can get to the   
   >spade connector to jump 12v to it from the bottom of the vehicle.   
   >Just slide the spade connector off and touch the metal tab with 12v   
   >from the battery, the starter should engage the solenoid which will   
   >make the high current contacts and make the starter spin to crank the   
   >engine.  This will verify your starter is good but if you aren't   
   >hearing any clicks when you turn the key I still think the problem is   
   >up at the alarm or in the starter relay circuit.   
      
   I feel like such an idiot, but I cannot find the starter and I know   
   what it looks like, because I have studied many photos of people   
   taking it apart to replace the contacts. But many learned people have   
   said now, that due to the lack of clicks, it likely isn't the starter   
   anyway, so I am putting this on the backburner until more likely   
   things have been eliminated.   
      
   Namely, the alarm, as you and many others have suggested, and the   
   starter relay.   
      
      
   > If you ever need to   
   >remove the starter there is an access panel in the passenger side   
   >wheel well, you remove three bolts, slide the access panel out of the   
   >way and you can pull the starter out through there once you have it   
   >unbolted.   
      
   Good to know if it comes to this. Thanks.   
      
   >  Here is another thought regarding the alarm system.  Try   
   >disconnecting your battery and then reconnecting it to see if that   
   >resets the alarm.   
      
   I tried this today. Left both terminals off for 40 min, then   
   re-connected. Alarm went crazy as it always does when con/disc the   
   battery. But no joy afterwards.   
      
   I also unplugged the wire harness going to "the brain" of the alarm.   
   Still did not start.   
      
   > If you have the wiring diagram for the alarm you   
   >should be able to find the two connections for the ignition kill   
   >feature.  If you disconnect those two wires from the alarm and connect   
   >them together it will remove the alarm relay from the circuit,   
   >defeating the ignition kill feature.   
      
   I am going to look for an installation manual for this Viper 300 right   
   now. I found the instruction manual, but it doesn't say how it's   
   wired.   
      
   >  Your starter relay should be up in the driver side kick panel, up   
   >above the section you attached photos of.  I have a 91 4x4 and my   
   >relay is way up there and toward the firewall.   
      
   If that starter relay is there it is seriously messing with me! The   
   Viper has three huge modules down there, and then there's the cruise   
   control module, so it isn't the easiest place to get clear line of   
   sight, but I took more pictures to show you what I see, and I see   
   nuthin'. I see a cable/wire going through the firewall... but no   
   relay. There *is* a rubber protective mat attached to the firewall   
   with clips... yours isn't behind that mat, is it?   
      
   Also, I am thrilled you have the 91 4x4 too, but is yours the M/T?   
   This is the auto 3VZ V6, and from what I understand, it is extremely   
   hard to work on, compared to the 22RE.   
      
   Am off to find wiring diagrams for the alarm...   
      
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