XPost: alt.autos.toyota   
   From: boogerpicker@wazoo.net   
      
   Horseshit. I have seen dodges and frauds pitted and rusted beyond repair   
   (also seen a shitload of dodges stricken with engine and tranny failures. so   
   much for amerikan engineering). it happens when fucking morons pour a known   
   corrosive on the roads to melt snow. fucking retards.   
      
      
      
   "dbu`"  wrote in message   
   news:GKidnXNsHO3gqprWnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@giganews.com...   
   > In article <4b0722d9$0$6765$ce5e7886@news-radius.ptd.net>,   
   > "Mike Hunter"  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Toyotas problem is in the piss poor quality steel they buy from Nippon   
   >> Steel   
   >> of Japan.  Dana only does the stamping so Toyota can claim the frames as   
   >> N.A. parts.   
   >   
   > Good news here!!  I did see three more Tundras in the past week.  They   
   > were not in contractor mode however.  One had a cover over the box, I   
   > forget what they call those things, but it didn't appear to be a work   
   > type truck to me, perhaps one that's used in going food shopping.  The   
   > other two had nothing in the box, in fact the box looked clean as a   
   > whistle.  In the meantime I've seen numerous, perhaps hundreds of Dodge,   
   > GMC, Fords pu's hauling all kinds of cargo and pulling various trailers   
   > with a varying amount of cargo along with that observation some were in   
   > a rough looking shape varying degrees of course, like you'd see on a   
   > work site.  I might add, some were older trucks, surely not new which   
   > means they've been around the block a few times.   
   >   
   > Contractors don't trade in every year for nice pretty and shiny new   
   > trucks, they pretty much run them into the ground then buy a new or   
   > later used basic work truck.  Makes sense.   
   >   
   > Seems at least here the American PU trucks rule.   
   >   
   > Cheers   
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "Ed White"  wrote in message   
   >> news:2de532e3-1805-451c-9824-b77f38df508d@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...   
   >> Toyota must submit data on rusting Tundras   
   >> Kathy Jackson   
   >> Automotive News   
   >> November 20, 2009 - 1:25 pm ET   
   >>   
   >> LOS ANGELES -- Already facing a number of quality-related problems,   
   >> Toyota Motor Corp. must submit information to the National Highway   
   >> Traffic Safety Administration today in response to complaints about   
   >> rusted frames on 2000 and 2001 Toyota Tundra pickups.   
   >>   
   >> NHTSA began a preliminary evaluation of the problem Oct. 6 and gave   
   >> Toyota the Nov. 20 deadline.   
   >>   
   >> "It is too early to speculate what we will do for Tundra," Toyota   
   >> spokesman Brian Lyons said. "They're only looking at one specific   
   >> portion of the frame -- the cross member that supports the spare tire   
   >> -- not the entire frame."   
   >>   
   >> The frames were manufactured by Dana Corp., which also supplied the   
   >> frames for the 750,000 Tacoma pickups that suffered similar rust   
   >> problems and were the subject of voluntary recalls and buybacks last   
   >> year.   
   >>   
   >> Dana spokesman Chuck Hartlage said today that the supplier was helping   
   >> Toyota with the Tundra investigation.   
   >>   
   >> NHTSA is investigating 20 reports that relate to spare-tire separation   
   >> and brake system failures resulting from severe frame corrosion on the   
   >> pickups.   
   >>   
   >> As of yesterday, the federal agency had received 238 complaints about   
   >> the 2000 models and 48 about the 2001 models. The complaints range   
   >> from brake-line corrosion to corrosion of the entire frame. More than   
   >> 70 complaints had been posted since NHTSA launched its investigation   
   >> in October.   
   >>   
   >> "My mechanic suggested that it was unsafe to drive because the brake   
   >> line connection points were so corroded that they could fail while in   
   >> operation," one consumer wrote in his complaint.   
   >>   
   >> There have been reports of three injuries but no deaths.   
   >>   
   >> Lyons confirmed that Dana supplied the frames. In March 2008, Toyota   
   >> agreed to buy back 1995-2000 Tacomas at 150 percent of the high-end   
   >> Kelley Blue Book value.   
   >>   
   >> In November 2008, Toyota issued a recall on 2001 to 2004 Tacomas. If   
   >> no rust had occurred, Toyota automatically extended the warranty to 15   
   >> years with unlimited mileage. If there was rust, the frames were   
   >> replaced.   
   >>   
   >> Lyons said no connection exists between the Tacoma and Tundra frames.   
   >>   
   >> "The frames were built to a different design and at different plants,"   
   >> he said, "so this is not apples to apples."   
   >>   
   >> Different plants   
   >>   
   >> Lyons said the Tacoma and Tundra frames were built at different Dana   
   >> plants. He said Toyota does not blame Dana.   
   >>   
   >> "Ultimately, this is our vehicle and our responsibility," Lyons said.   
   >>   
   >> He said he does not know the next step, but NHTSA could do an   
   >> engineering analysis of the truck, which is more extensive than the   
   >> preliminary examination.   
   >>   
   >> Toyota already is entangled in high-profile lawsuits involving   
   >> rollovers and faulty steering rods and is facing a huge recall related   
   >> to unintended acceleration.   
   >>   
   >> Lyons said the company has not decided what the fix will be for   
   >> complaints about unintended acceleration in certain Toyota and Lexus   
   >> models. Last month the company sent letters to 3.8 million owners   
   >> urging them to remove the floor mats from their vehicles while the   
   >> company ponders how to fix the problem.   
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