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   From: cewhite3@mindspring.com   
      
   "Wayne" wrote in message   
   news:hfr7c9$rat$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
      
   > LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went   
   > Toyota. If a GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more   
   > confidence that Toyota can/will fix it.   
      
   This is exactly the sort of claim that drives me crazy. Toyota is far   
   more aggressive at denying problem, fighting recalls and misleading   
   Customer than GM ever was. I don't care for GM cars, and would agree   
   that in the last ten to fifteen years the average Toyota is probably   
   better assembled than the average GM product (just an opinion). But   
   you are never going to convince me that Toyota bends over backward to   
   please their Customers. Look at the recent history - Rusting truck   
   frames - Toyota did zip until NHTSA treatened a recall. Massive truck   
   balljoint failures - Toyota repeately lied about the extent of the   
   problem and did nothing until NHTSA treatened a recall. Sludge prone   
   engines - Toyota did nothing until the publicity was so bad they had   
   to give in, but they still tried to lay ALL the blame on their   
   Customers. How about V6 head gasket failures - ever bit as bad as the   
   problems Ford or GM had and the response was at least as draconian.   
      
   Claims that "Toyota can/will fix it" are just idle hopes. Maybe they   
   will, or maybe they will say the problem is all your fault.   
      
   At least in the case of GM products, it is often the dealer, not GM   
   that is the stumbling block to having a problem farily resolved. I   
   suppose this is GM fault, except state franchise laws being what they   
   are, GM often has very little leverage when it comes to making dealers   
   more responsive.   
      
   Ed   
      
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