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   "hls"  wrote in message   
   news:gNmdnWaTipAQt73WnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@giganews.com...   
   >   
   > "Jeff Strickland"  wrote in message   
   > news:hflvnd$pt2$1@news.eternal-   
   >>   
   >> The report was that the car was being driven on the freeway when the   
   >> engine shut down for no apparent reason. Some might call that a stall.   
   >> None would agree that such an event could be driver induced.   
   >>   
   >> You pull out of the neighborhood with a cold motor and the engine stalls   
   >> as you pull up to the traffic light is an entirely different matter. But   
   >> if the car will not idle, it's broken. Do you care? Apparently not. Is it   
   >> critical? No. But if you were cruising along on the freeway and the   
   >> engine took the opportunity to shut off for no reason, I'm pretty sure   
   >> you would be concerned.   
   >   
   > In the case of the Sonoma, the car was not properly warmed up, but DID   
   > stall twice under driving conditions.  It had never done this before, nor   
   > did   
   > it repeat after total warmul.   
   >   
   > In the case of the damned Buick Regal I referenced, this thing would shut   
   > down wherever the heck it wanted to, warm or cold, any speed.   
   > It WAS a bad ECU.   
   > I was exasperated after having gone to the Buick dealership 6-7 times   
   > and they always told me the mechanic couldnt make it act up.  The last   
   > time, I told them to let me ride with the mechanic and I would show them,   
   > but they refused. I asked them to check the TSBs on this car, and they   
   > assured   
   > me that they had.  (Lie!)   
   >   
   > On the way back to my office, the damn thing died on the freeway 3-4   
   > times.   
   >   
   > Now mad as hell, I called GM until I found was would be referred to as a   
   > zone representative and told them that this damned car was going to get me   
   > killed.   
   > Immediately the representative told me that they knew all about it, there   
   > had been   
   > TSBs on this, and the problem was  defective run of ECMs.   
   >   
   > About two hours later, the shop foreman at the dealership called me, mad   
   > as hell.   
   > WHY DID I CALL GM AND EMBARASS THEM!  Because, you simple shit,   
   > this car was going to kill me, and I had exhausted every avenue with him   
   > and with   
   > the mechanics.   About a half hour later the owner of the dealership   
   > called me   
   > personally and apologized.   
   >   
   > Moral:  Not everybody at GM is a shit and incompetent, but some are.  Any   
   > car   
   > with defective systems can kill you.  And sometimes you have to take the   
   > crusade   
   > to the edge of Jerusalem before you get any satisfaction.   
   -   
   LOL...I assume that like me, you finally saw the light and went Toyota. If a   
   GM stalls, and a Toyota stalls, I have much more confidence that Toyota   
   can/will fix it.   
      
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